SPITFIRE Tr

G-15-74 is recorded as a Spitfire XIX PM627 destined for the Indian Air Force.

This seems to have been a delayed, reserve or replacement aircraft as the Indian serial HS964 is well out of sequence with the rest of the Vickers supplied Mk XIX’s.

Mark

Hello Tony,

mmany thanks for clearing up 161 etc.

Do you know anything at all on G-15-74,5, or 80, 81 ?

I wonder if any more will ever come to light ?

Many thanks

Alex

Sorry Alex,
I can’t help you there.
Regards
Tony K

Spitfire Tr. 9

Hello Tony,

mmany thanks for clearing up 161 etc.

Do you know anything at all on G-15-74,5, or 80, 81 ?

I wonder if any more will ever come to light ?

Many thanks

Alex

Alex,
Spitfire PV202 was 161
ML407 was 162
regards
Tony K

Spitfire Tr9’s

Hi,

Well I finaly got a copy of the book from the libruary from out of County.

And yes, Class B Registrations are there.
However there are gaps.
As noted here earlier,
G-15-74
G-15-75
and also
G-15-80
G-15-81
There is also, with regard to the Irish a/c,
perhaps a correction to my list above is required ?
Or is the book entery incorrect ?
It has –
G-15-171 – MJ627 – 158
G-15-172 – MJ772 – 159
G-15-173 – MK721 – 160
G-15-174 – ML407 – 161 ?
G-15-175 – PV202 – 162 ?
G-15-176 – TE308 – 163

The book also makes note that Up to thirty Mk IX’s were converted for overseas sales as two seat T9 trainers, under Type 509.

Many thanks for all of your input.

Alex

Hi Mark,
Spitfire 160/MK721 crashed at Baldonnel during touch and go training on 15 February 1957. The pilot survived and went on to a career in Aer Lingus, luckily no fire.
Tony K

Thanks Mark 12

http://pacificcoast.net/~zoman/iac.html

Looking at the above site, it states IAC160 was lost. Is there any more details of the event? Did the crew get out, and is her location known?

Also, apart from ML417, all the other Indian Tr 9s seem to have been scrapped. Can anyone confirm this, or could one be out there still?

Thanks

This is one for Tony Kearns. 🙂

MK721/160 crashed Cat E.2 on 15 March 1957.

The crashed remains were visible in the general scrap area at Baldonel, along with the Seafires, in 1960. The integrity of the fuselage would suggest the crash was survivable.

Mark

Hello,

Yes the Aeroplane magazine 2005 was the one. The article about G-15-75.

I bought Aeroplane August 2007 today and the article on page 20 is about the same aircraft.
Thank you for the lead to it.
For interest – From Spitfire International
Spitfire MkIX REAF serial Nos 621-679
The first two Spitfire Mk IX arrived on 25th July 1946. Deliveries continued until July 1947 when the last of the 39 aircraft were handed over.
Spitfire F22 REAF serial nos 680-683 & 685 – 699
20 F22’s and one T.IX as a replacement for the older T.IX. Allotted Class B registrations G-15-88 to G-15-107. Deliveries began on 14th June 1950 continuing until October 1950, with two Spitfires for each ferry flight.The last arrived in Egypt on 8th February 1951.

I think that they had more than 39 Mk IX Spitfires.

Thank you
Alex

Alex,

My copy of Spitfire International says:

…for the older Spitfire IX.

Mark

http://pacificcoast.net/~zoman/iac.html

Looking at the above site, it states IAC160 was lost. Is there any more details of the event? Did the crew get out, and is her location known?

Also, apart from ML417, all the other Indian Tr 9s seem to have been scrapped. Can anyone confirm this, or could one be out there still?

Thanks

Seems to confirm they had 2 T9’s

So does that make the offical number 21 Tr9’s now.

Next question is what was its original serial number?

G-15-??

Hello,

Yes the Aeroplane magazine 2005 was the one. The article about G-15-75.

I bought Aeroplane August 2007 today and the article on page 20 is about the same aircraft.
Thank you for the lead to it.
For interest – From Spitfire International
Spitfire MkIX REAF serial Nos 621-679
The first two Spitfire Mk IX arrived on 25th July 1946. Deliveries continued until July 1947 when the last of the 39 aircraft were handed over.
Spitfire F22 REAF serial nos 680-683 & 685 – 699
20 F22’s and one T.IX as a replacement for the older T.IX. Allotted Class B registrations G-15-88 to G-15-107. Deliveries began on 14th June 1950 continuing until October 1950, with two Spitfires for each ferry flight.The last arrived in Egypt on 8th February 1951.

I think that they had more than 39 Mk IX Spitfires.

Thank you
Alex

Spitfire Tr reply

Hello,

Many thanks for all of your replies.

I searched for but could not find the reference for G-15-79 that I thought I had:o So I fully accept that it may well have been G-15-75 that I meant to ask about:o
Also yes ES127 was not a Trainer silly of me to have included it.:)

Again many thanks for your replies.

Alex

Hello,

To add to the fine article in Fly Past by Daniel Ford.

Just how many original Spitfire Tr’s were there ?

MkVb(Trop).
ES127….”KJ-I”

Two-seater, yes. Trainer? No.
[/pedantic]

American aviation writer?:confused:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Ford

Methinks it is a pseudonym. 🙂

Mark

Daniel Ford, who he?

Mark

American aviation writer?:confused:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Ford

G.15-79 was a Sea Otter for the Dutch Navy.

I would suggest that G.15-75 is a further Tr IX, and the initial, delivery 670 to the Egyptian Air Force.

Daniel Ford, who he?

Mark

In Aeroplane this month, on pg 20, there is an interesting section on another potential Tr9 – G-15-75. Are you sure it is not this one rather than G-15-79 that your thinking about?

ML417 has certainly been converted back to single seat configuration. I believe some of it’s TR9 parts were used in the recent American 2 seater that has just flow (MH367?)