Hi all,
Can who knows what kind of a plane? Photo done in Shanghai 1937 in October. I think this plane is Japanese because on vertical stabilizer is a J. How much detail on the sources, there is nothing even resembling … I don’t find similar because plane’s tail is strange, bow pilots cabin reminds plane the First World War and is propeller’s convex . Probably it japanese biplane foreign construction.
Maybe who know where is pictures shot down aircraft China war in 1931-39 and Halhin-Gol (Nomongan) in 1939. Also, interest and other padded equipment.
By: Egidijus - 29th May 2007 at 20:19
Air battles over Shanghai in 1937
Thank You very much John for uncommon information and very large help. You have very detailed information about rares biplanes which very me interested.
By: John Aeroclub - 29th May 2007 at 17:35
It is a Zepp (Lindau)C-11 2 of which I have a drawing, it is not an A5. Note the horizontal wedge rear fuselage, the fuselage stringers, the exhaust and the u/c length. The engine is a Maybach 1VA. and I even suspect it’s serial number might be 820.
It is a posed civil defence picture, and used as part of a picture library by a typical newspaper editor.
John
By: manta - 29th May 2007 at 17:09
There’s one here
http://www.ne.jp/asahi/airplane/museum/cl-Epln/Nakajima5e.html
By: Egidijus - 29th May 2007 at 15:17
Air battles over Shanghai in 1937
Thank You very much Manta. Maybe you know where is more and better pictures like this biplane’s Nakajima Type 5 with engine A5? This pictures and information I find with your help in site: http://www.ne.jp/asahi/airplane/museum/nakajima/nkj-2.html
http://www.ne.jp/asahi/airplane/museum/nakajima/nkj-1.html
By: manta - 29th May 2007 at 10:55
It could be a Nakajima Type 5 trainer.They had a inline engine.
By: Egidijus - 29th May 2007 at 09:16
Air battles over Shanghai in 1937
Thank You very much John. Maybe you know where is picture this plane from above? I am greatly interested in that problem.
By: John Aeroclub - 29th May 2007 at 09:13
Zepp LZ C-11 2
The cropped image here is reproduced under reasonable use from a book illustration and is the copyright of The Swiss Air force Department of Military Air Bases.
John
By: John Aeroclub - 29th May 2007 at 08:55
Zepp LZ C-11 2
I am confident now having looked at a drawing, that the fuselage is that of a Zepp (Lindau) C-11 2, fabric covered metal structure bi-plane. 20 of which were built in Germany and one was surrendered to the French, with the other 19 being smuggled into Switzerland in 1920. These saw service until 1927 when following a crash (of No 816) related to metal fatigue they were all withdrawn.
Again I suggest the picture is of a civil defence exercise some time in the 1930’s and nothing to do with China or Japan and the remains of lettering on the rudder are CH (Swiss). What gave it away for me was the panel at the base of the fin.
John
By: Egidijus - 29th May 2007 at 08:54
Air battles over Shanghai in 1937
Thank You very much John. You are right this plane very rather like Zeppelin-Lindau (Domier) CL I two seat biplane. First photo from Newspaper 1937. Maybe Newspaper make a mistake? Can be no comparison between them because need more fhoto. But why on vertical stabilizer is a J? This pictures I find with your help in site: http://hi-litesbyhigh.com/OtherCountriesAircraft/Germany/Attack&CloseSupport-Interceptors/AttackAandCloseSupport.html
By: Distiller - 29th May 2007 at 08:36
Not shot down.
And Japanese? They didn’t build inline engines for such planes.
German Albatros?
By: John Aeroclub - 28th May 2007 at 18:48
I would suggest that it is a picture of some form of pre-war gas exercise and it possibly not China at all and it is a surplus airframe. It is certainly not shot down, note the intact prop and spinner, and the whole fuselage is reminiscent of a Zeppelin Lindau two seat fighter of which the Swiss had a number.
John
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