Han-Joachim Marseilles vs Erich Hartmann

Your gonna love me!!!

Yes but Hartman would prefer not to dogfight and hit his targets unseen,ala Richtoffen whereas Marseilles would get into the action and do the damage.:diablo: Read up on his exploits in the desert where he took on more than a few P40 Kittyhawks at once and came out on top.:p

No no.. The example u give are ordinary fighter pilots. While the one I give are untouchable. Haha….

Come off it, put your manners back in pls.
As Lynn said different types of aces from different theatre’s, Hartmann was more of an ambush expert I believe. With all the legend of Marseille’s gunnery I’d lean towards him

What worked in one theatre did NOT work in another.

Which is why obviously Heinz Bar must have had the best technique……:p

A true first to last Experten and 8th ranking overall as well as being a high scorer in all major theatres and in all the 3 major fighter a/c types.

Only other jagdflieger to come close to matching his Luftwaffe record was Erich Rudorffer.

Did Hartmann shoot down a number of Mustangs too? Looks to me his style works everywhere. His mottos are still quoted today in every fighter school.

I would go with Hartmann, the cool calculating robot, vs. the hot boy Marseilles, which I suspect is a bit of a glory seeker.

ROFLAO!!

That,s the first time I,ve ever heard of Hans Phillip as “ordinary”..:p

Useless comparison, because the styles of combat were so vastly different between the Western and Eastern fronts. Cases in point:

– Hans Phillip. He was a master of Eastern Front combat, downing nearly 200 aircraft before being posted as Kommodore of JG 1 in the spring of 1943. He managed to reach 208 victories before being shot down and killed just a few months later (October 1943).

– Kurt Brandle. Another highly experienced Ostfront fighter, he was posted as the Kommandeur of II./JG 3, but shot down and killed by Spitfires on 3 November 1943, not long after being transferred from the Eastern Front.

– Siegfried Schnell. He was a “Spitfire expert”, downing over 49 Spitfires between 1940 and 1944 with JG 2. He was transferred to the Eastern Front on 11 November 1944 to take over IV./JG 54, and was shot down and killed within two weeks.

What worked in one theatre did NOT work in another.

Lynn

No no.. The example u give are ordinary fighter pilots. While the one I give are untouchable. Haha….

I love these debates….Unless it,s about Bader

On a one on one dogfight Marseilles hands down in every engagement.He had a recklessness that Hartman missed.Awaiting artillery to arrive about…………………NOW!!!INCOMING:diablo:

Useless comparison, because the styles of combat were so vastly different between the Western and Eastern fronts. Cases in point:

– Hans Phillip. He was a master of Eastern Front combat, downing nearly 200 aircraft before being posted as Kommodore of JG 1 in the spring of 1943. He managed to reach 208 victories before being shot down and killed just a few months later (October 1943).

– Kurt Brandle. Another highly experienced Ostfront fighter, he was posted as the Kommandeur of II./JG 3, but shot down and killed by Spitfires on 3 November 1943, not long after being transferred from the Eastern Front.

– Siegfried Schnell. He was a “Spitfire expert”, downing over 49 Spitfires between 1940 and 1944 with JG 2. He was transferred to the Eastern Front on 11 November 1944 to take over IV./JG 54, and was shot down and killed within two weeks.

What worked in one theatre did NOT work in another.

Lynn

Whoopee another who was the best thread, it’s been a while since we had one of those. 🙁

To spice up the historical side a bit,seems it looks so quiet!:D

Whoopee another who was the best thread, it’s been a while since we had one of those. 🙁