March 23, 2007 at 6:20 am
Hope everyone is well. This is my first post.
The Temora Aviation Museum in Oz is restoring the RAAF’s CA-27 Sabre A94-983 back to flying condition. The current NAA Ejection seat is impossible to support, so we would like to fit a Martin-Baker seat. MB fitted a variation of the Mk5 seat to the Canadair Sabre 6s operated by the Luftwaffe, Greek Dutch and Norweigens in the 50s and 60s, there was also some F86Ks operated by the same that were also converted. MB will help support the seat, but I need to find a couple of seats. Any leads would be greatly appreciated. Regards Peter.
By: croweater - 2nd April 2007 at 07:47
Temora Sabres
Couple of seats required, does this mean two airworthy Sabres will be completed? 🙂
Regards Croweater
By: alanl - 1st April 2007 at 14:08
Pete,
If you are still in the UK on Saturday 7th April, would you like to come along to the Classic Flight open day at Coventry and see our fleet, inc. our two Canberra’s and Meteor NF11 and Vampire. Plus DC 6 and Shackleton engine runs! 😀
www.classicflight.com
Drop me a PM for details.
Cheers Alan
By: Pete.PS - 1st April 2007 at 09:33
Thanks guys for all your comments. Keep an ear to the ground for any info on the Mk5 seats. I am currently enjoying time in the UK, there is alot happening within in the warbird fraternity in this country. Peter
By: alanl - 25th March 2007 at 14:50
What happened to those ex Luftwaffe Sabres that were part of Haydon Baillies collection?
Alan
To answer my own question ,they went to Tracor/ Flight systems inc at Mojave CA , for use as drogues. They might still have some that were not blown up. Might be worth an email..
Cheers, Alan
By: OHOPE - 25th March 2007 at 00:08
There is also an Avon Sabre being returned to airworthiness at Ardmore NZ
By: wardie - 24th March 2007 at 23:51
Welcome Peter,
For those who don’t know Pete he is the Chief Engineer at Temora Aviation Museum and is responsible for the the maintenance of a great collection of live museum exhibits.
If any of you manage to visit Oz try to make the effort to attend one of Temora’s flying days. It’s well worth the effort (IMO) even though is a bit off the main tourist circuit. Pete will be there and is quite easy to spot, just look for the big guy with the shorts, it does not matter whether it’s summer or winter he always wears them. Say hello and give him and his team a pat on the back for the job that they do.
Wardie
A slightly biased Temora fan.
By: JDK - 24th March 2007 at 06:49
Hi Pete,
You have a cunning plan, I see. 😀
Is your Sabre an Avon Sabre?
All the A93- Sabres are CAC built (Avon) Sabres, as I understand, and A94-983 certainly is, having flown for a number of years after restoration in RAAF Museum operation, before it was grounded a number of years ago. A recent agreement was signed to loan the aircraft to Temora who would restore it to fly (again).
http://www.defence.gov.au/news/raafnews/editions/4801/history/story01.htm
19 May ´06 | RAAF Sabre in Progress
Sabre A94-983, which is on loan to the Temora Aviation Museum from the Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) is currently undergoing an extensive restoration to return the aircraft to flying condition. The Agreement to loan the Sabre to the Temora Aviation Museum was signed in November 2005 by Chief of Air Force, Air Marshal Geoff Shepherd.This particular Sabre has served with several different Squadrons including No 78 Wing at Williamtown, NSW, and then to No 3 Squadron at Butterworth, Malaysia. The aircraft has also served with No. 76 Squadron, No. 5 Operational Training Unit, No. 2 (Fighter) Operational Conversion Unit and No. 11 Squadron.
Under the direction and supervision of Temora Aviation Museum Engineering’s Peter Pring-Shambler and Lindsay Jordan, engineers Ben and Marty have been assigned the task of getting the vast project moving. The initial stage of work is focused on restoring the wings which will be accomplished by using a combination of components and hardware from 2 complete sets of wings.
Ben’s duties involve removing all the wing hydraulic components which will be inspected, overhauled and tested prior to refitting. Ben is also in the process of checking the wing flight control components for serviceability.
Marty has been concentrating on removing, inspecting and cleaning mechanical components which will be re-installed into the wings once completed.
By: alanl - 23rd March 2007 at 21:51
What happened to those ex Luftwaffe Sabres that were part of Haydon Baillies collection?
If they are in museums somewhere couldn’t they donate a couple of seats?
Also try Seat Star at Duxford, they hold a stock of overhauled seats MB ,that they swop for ones that need servicing,if they have’nt got what you need they might know where there are some. Good luck.
Alan
By: John Aeroclub - 23rd March 2007 at 19:11
I thought that the Sabres fitted with the MB Mk. 5 seats also had to have a canopy mod which enabled the canopy to rise as it moved back. You can see this on photos of Pakistani AF (the ex Luftwaffe ones) Sabres.
There is a picture on Hyperscale, search for “Luftwaffe Sabres and MB seat”
John
By: bexWH773 - 23rd March 2007 at 12:31
Hi Pete, welcome to the forum and good luck with Sabre. Ok I dont know much about bang seats, but there is a website wholly for bang seats, and from what ive seen mainly Martin Baker seats too. Its run by a guy called Jim Griff and hes very helpful, he sent me some MB manuals when Martin Baker wouldnt help me with a Canberra….. wont bore u with the details, lets just say its down to “Old Technology” LoL Bex
http://www.ejectorseats.co.uk/
and heres another one I just found in the US dont know what its like though:
By: bri - 23rd March 2007 at 11:27
Your pilot would be glad he won’t have to use a North American seat. I think the RAAF lost more pilots in those seats than they saved. The Sabre escape system was bloody dangerous!
Is your Sabre an Avon Sabre?
Bri (ex-RAAF groundcrew) 😎