January 6, 2007 at 9:02 am
Can anyone help with details of German aircraft shot down in or around Merseyside during the last war. In particular any that came down on mudflat in the Mersey estuary.
Thank in advance
GTG
By: RAF Millom - 11th January 2007 at 00:14
There’s a full account of the Bromborough Ju-88 at
http://www.south-lancs-aviation.bravepages.com/ju88.htmWilliam
It has moved to
http://www.rafmillom.co.uk/New%20South%20Lancs%20Aviation/ju88.htm
By: Scouse - 8th January 2007 at 17:01
There’s a full account of the Bromborough Ju-88 at
http://www.south-lancs-aviation.bravepages.com/ju88.htm
William
By: Atcham Tower - 8th January 2007 at 12:13
I think the Z battery was post- 1942. Will PM when I can find my notes.
By: GoodTime Girl - 7th January 2007 at 16:28
Thanks Attacham
I’ve tried to find information on the Wallasey Battery on the net to no avail. Any idea when this battery was installed ?
By: Atcham Tower - 7th January 2007 at 14:12
I came rather late to this thread so can’t add much! Has got to be the Bromborough Ju 88, although it was Spits rather than Hurris which shot it down. There was a Z Battery (unguided rockets) in Wallasey near the river bank. Not sure if it ever saw action. There may have been others on Merseyside.
At a recent very low tide, I could see no evidence of the Bagillt He 111. The river has changed its configuration over the years and that marshland is probably now under water most, if not all, of the time. A neighbour who fishes in the Dee tells me that he hasn’t seen the wreck for many years and believes that it is now buried in the mud. Would-be investigators beware! The Dee tidal speeds are lethal, much faster than you can run. And you can’t run in that clinging mud.It is difficult enough walking in it!
By: RAF Millom - 7th January 2007 at 00:38
As far as I can tell, this one was the last to fall in the area
04/05/1941 – Heinkel He111 Wk No 3975
There may have been others until Jan 1942 when the last raids were carried out om Liverpool, but these aircraft fell on diferent parts of the country not locally.
There was an incident in the last few days of the war when a aircraft fled Denmark to Ireland and whilst overflying Speke airport strafed the airfield, I never confimed this officialy.
Attached is the widnes He111
By: GoodTime Girl - 6th January 2007 at 23:23
Thanks that’s great and just what I am looking for.
Do you have any idea when and/or what the last Luftwaffe aircraft to be shot down in the area was?
By: RAF Millom - 6th January 2007 at 23:01
see
http://www.rafmillom.co.uk/New%20South%20Lancs%20Aviation/ju88.htm
http://www.rafmillom.co.uk/New%20South%20Lancs%20Aviation/He111%20040541.htm
http://www.rafmillom.co.uk/New%20South%20Lancs%20Aviation/He111%20241040.htm
Photos of the dee Marshes He111 are attached
A report on the He111 is attached
Atcham Tower will also be able to add to these
There were also Sea Forts out in Liverpool Bay to deter raiders a photo of which is attached.
The incident you refer to is the Ju88 that came down at Brombourgh.
Regards
Mark
By: GoodTime Girl - 6th January 2007 at 16:49
Thanks
Unfortunately I can not be specific as I am unable to find any details, all I am going on is the following quote :-
I was out in the square. There was a very loud roaring of aircraft engines. I looked up and saw a twin-engine German bomber flying very low with a thick plume of black oily smoke pouring from one of its engines. It was closely followed by a Spitfire in hot pursuit with its machine guns and canons stuttering away at the hapless bomber. There was a loud cheer from the crowds who had stopped to witness this dramatic event, and then both planes disappeared over the rooftops and into the distance. I stood there for a few moments waiting for the sound of a terrible explosion as the bomber crashed but it had continued its path to oblivion and finally came down in a ball of flame on the river flats with no survivors.
All I can say is that this is allegedly 1942.
I would also be interested to know if the authorities tested any form of experimental anti aircraft missile close to or along the banks of the Mersey at any point prior to the end of 1942. Apparently its use deterred at least one raid on Merseyside with devastating effect. It is claimed that is brought down several bombers.
By: SimonH - 6th January 2007 at 15:36
There were numerous planes bought down in the area so difficult to know which one you mean. I am guessing though that it is the Ju88 that crashed at Bromborough Pool on the Wirral bank of the Mersey?
I’m pretty sure that there are still some parts of the plane in the Fort Perch Rock museum at New Brighton. Could well be the plane that bombed my Dad’s neighbours house….and the local chippy!:eek:
I cant find a lot of info about the plane, but if you’re local to Liverpool try asking at the Maritime museum. The Fort at New brighton also has wreckage from most local crashes on display so thats another good place to look.
There is a pic of the Bromborough Ju88 at the top of this page…
http://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/maritime/exhibitions/blitz/blitz.asp
If there is anything specific you want to know let me know and I’ll see what I can find out.
By: GoodTime Girl - 6th January 2007 at 09:43
Thank you much appreciated
By: Colin Wingrave - 6th January 2007 at 09:34
Im sure there was an article about this aircraft either on here on in the mag. I think Nick Wertherspoon will be able to help when he awakes !
Colon