ID anyone? (WW2)

green

The photo is very definitely the late Charles Green,

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Hi
I am glad my memory is still working then,I thought it was him first, but as I said all my stuff is packed, so i wasn’t sure, I’m glad someone else was.

I wonder, 26th feb green shot down two JG2 190’s off exmouth,
I have photos of drummond and lucas in similar victory pose, after the shooting down on 15 Oct of two 190’s.
So the photo might have been taken on 26th feb ’43 at exeter airfield.
cheers
Jerry

… and the Typhoon …

Further to my last – the aircraft can most easily be identified as a Typhoon (as opposed to a Tempest) by the distinctive ‘D’ door shape, ie. the smaller of the two undercarriage doors. The port ‘D’ door can be seen beneath the wing and bears a section of the black and white Typhoon identity stripes. As these were introduced in late 1942/early 1943 it is almost certain that the Typhoon is ‘ZH-G’ EJ924 which was his chosen mount from February to July 1943 (when his tour with 266 Squadron finished).

ID for your album

Sorry about the late reply. The photo is very definitely the late Charles Green, taken when he was CO of 266 Squadron flying Typhoons. His personal aircraft was always ‘G’ – as in the photo. He went on to become Wing Commander Flying 121 Wing, and later, as a Group Captain DSO, DFC, OC 124 Wing. He was credited with spotting the German armour massing for the counter attack at Mortain, which subsequently was subjected to relentless attacks from the Typhoon RP Wings in Normandy.

My first thought was Frank Carey – its the rolled up shirt sleeves 🙂

Very workman-like.

pilot

Thanks for all the ideas gentlemen.. I’ve gone back to a number of sources and now wonder if it could be Rod Davidge from 193 Squadron, Harrowbeer in which case the aircraft would be a Typhoon 1b? The only photo I can find of Davidge is at http://www.rafharrowbeer.co.uk/photographs.htm captioned 193 Squadron pilots at readiness. I also have the squadron photo shown on that page which is signed on the back by SW Petre s/l and dated 1943. I haven’t found anyhting on Davidge except reference to the “Who strafed Rommel” controversy – no other pix?

Hi
Not Rod Davidge, I have an album of 193Sq photos at harrowbeer, again unfortunately packed, due to my emigration.
The harrowbeer site is brilliant,Stephen is doing an excellent job.
Interesting the photo is signed by Petre, do you have any details on how you came to own the photos.
if you wish e mail me at [email]jezbrew@yahoo.com[/email]
cheers
jerry

Thanks for all the ideas gentlemen.. I’ve gone back to a number of sources and now wonder if it could be Rod Davidge from 193 Squadron, Harrowbeer in which case the aircraft would be a Typhoon 1b? The only photo I can find of Davidge is at http://www.rafharrowbeer.co.uk/photographs.htm captioned 193 Squadron pilots at readiness. I also have the squadron photo shown on that page which is signed on the back by SW Petre s/l and dated 1943. I haven’t found anyhting on Davidge except reference to the “Who strafed Rommel” controversy – no other pix?

hi
I have photos of warnes with whirlwinds, but he looks different, unless the war aged/changed his face, (a possibility maybe)jerry

It’s not Warnes, I have a photo but can’t upload for some reason.

Ok, I´m going to stick my neck out on this one 😮

My candidate would be Wing Commander Frank Carey. At least the man in the picture has his ´look´, but then again, maybe I´m wrong 😮 It has happened before 😀 😀

At the top of this webpage is a ´not-so-good´ picture of the man, but no information about when the picture was taken, or where.

Here is another picture of him, again, without any information about when the picture was taken, or where.

You will notice, that in both articles, there is no mention of him flying anything after 1942, let alone a Typhoon or a Tempest. But here comes the big punch. In the book Hawker Tempest And Sea Fury by Robert Jackson, on page 86, is a picture of what I consider to be ´your man´ sitting in the cockpit of a Tempest F2. The photo caption says: “Wing Commander Frank Carey, renowned fighter leader and wartime ace with at least 28 victories, pictured in the cockpit of a Tempest F2 when he was Wing-Commander (Flying) at Gutersloh…………….”. Also, in both the articles, he finished the war as a Group Captian, but they say that he received a Permanent Commision in the Air Force on return home. Usually a Permanent Commision after the war, meant a drop in rank of at least one grade. So for him to be Wing Commander (Flying) in late 1945/46 would not be out of the question.

Now, some of the more knowledgeble men on here have identified the aircraft in the picture as a Typhoon. I won´t argue with that! Is it possible that this picture was taken during his conversion onto type? If you read the Big Show by Pierre Clostermann, it is clear that Typhoons were, at least during the war, used to convert pilots onto the Tempest.

Like I said before, I´ve been known to have been wrong before 😀 So if I´m proven wrong, sorry for wasting everybodies time! 😮 😀 😀

thoughts

Another pilot with no name in my album. Who is he, and is there enough of the aircraft to identify it?
Thanks all..

hi
I am on a rare visit to the board, my research notes are packed , so i can’t check my memory, I have seen a very similar pilot, and a shot of a 266 tiffie with lucas & drummond from almost the same angles.
two thoughts, both 266Sq

one S/L charles green, there is a photo of him in typhoon & tempest story ?

the other

thought is S/L peter Lefevre in which case it would be typhoon, ZH-G, JP846,
Sorry I can’t check my stuff is in storage for sometime yet.
but maybe someone else has references and can.
I have photos of warnes with whirlwinds, but he looks different, unless the war aged/changed his face, (a possibility maybe).
sorry can’t be more helpful, and my apoligies if my memory is wrong, it’s about two years since I saw the photos.
cheers ( from not so sunny today vancouver )
jerry

By jingo, they don’t make ’em like that any more. Actually, I suspect that Armours in Bournemouth probably do, but this is an aviation forum and not an old bikes one, so I’ll shut up.
My money’s still on a Typhoon.

William

This is the best angle I can find. Not saying this is the person in the first photo, though. I just thought some of you would appreciate the exhaust on that Norton. The pic comes from “Canadians in the Royal Air Force” by Les Allison.

I’m no aircraft expert but I lean towards the Typhoon as I suspect it’s 263 Squadron. Could the pilot be Geoff Warnes?

In addition to what’s already been said, I don’t think any Tempests had the footstep on the trailing edge of the wing. You can see the right foot of the chap standing on the wing is nestling in this step.
For my money it’s a Typhoon.

As the picture has been framed tightly around the pilot, I reckon it’s prety well impossible to tell one from the other.

Don’t be such a faint-heart! We’ll have it for certain in 48 hours. 😉

I think it’s a Typhoon, but wouldn’t claim to be certain. Why?

Early ‘doughnut’ tyres and hub – more likely Typhoon than Tempest. The panel line by the crewman on the wing’s leg, running vertically down has the matching break line on the wing fairing in the Typhoon, as seen here, but I’ve not found a Tempest shot to compare that is different on the Tempest… The upper fuselage panel line with the rivets showing is more characteristic of the Typhoon. (Might – this is a stretch – indicate a bubble canopy conversion in production?)

The shadow of the wing looks too narrow to be the broad chord Tempest’s wing, likewise the Tempests u/c inner doors were set further forward (from this angle) and would be less likely to be visible.

Not conclusive, and I may be wrong. Someone able to lay a hand on shots from similar angles of Typhoon and Tempest will be able to nail it I’m sure.

Definitely either a Typhoon or Tempest V. Just look at the undercarraige doors.
As the picture has been framed tightly around the pilot, I reckon it’s prety well impossible to tell one from the other. On the grounds that there were more Typhoons than Tempest Vs, I’d go for a Typhoon as the more probable.

William

Tempest V ?