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Hess transit to Nuremberg for trial

Just copied this off Yahoo’s Vintage and Warbirds Group – Can anyone help?

> Hi,
> My name is Liam Cranley from the BBC History unit in London. We
are
> currently producing a three part documentary series to commemorate
> the 60th anniversary of the Nuremberg Trials. As you may or may
not
> know, one of the leading Nazis to stand trial at Nuremberg, Rudolf
> Hess, was held at Maindiff Hospital in Wales for some years before
> he was transferred to Nuremberg. Hess flew a Messerschmitt to
> Scotland in a bid to negotiate peace.
>
> The problem that I was hoping one of you could help me with was
the
> detail of the plane that transported Hess to Germany from Wales.
We
> believe it was an Avro Anson cargo/bomber aircraft, possibly an
Avro
> Anson 1, but we are unsure.
>
> Hess’s flight left on either 8th October or 10th October. It
stopped
> briefly at Brussels to refuel and the plane is described as being
> old. There were at least 5 passengers, Dr. David Ellis Jones, a
> civilian, Rudolf Hess, Lt. A.
> J. B Lacombe and an unnamed Sergeant. In one account it is
mentioned
> that one of the passengers has to sit on the floor as there are
not
> enough seats. Is this of any help?
>
> We are recreating certain scenes for the three films and we
> obviously want to be as accurate as possible. We are currently
> looking to confirm the craft model and for some shots of the
> interior of the aircraft, or at least some kind of information
about
> the interior or where such information can be found.
>
> Please feel free to forward this email on to anyone you feel may
be
> of help. Maybe there is someone who knows about flight
> logs/histories and hopefully someone can point me in the direction
> of some source material so we can recreate this craft.
>
> Unfortunately, the RAF Museum have a 20 day turnaround for
research
> but we are going to begin filming quite soon so we can’t wait that
long!!
>
> I look forward to hearing from you.
>
> Best wishes,
> Liam Cranley
> [email]Liam.Cranley@bbc.co.uk[/email]

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By: JägerMarty - 12th May 2006 at 14:27

I must say, the official Hess story was always on the nose, I too am not up for conspiracies or revisionism

Hi
try contacting After the battle magazine. They have done some very in depth articles on this subject. Also I am no conspiracy theorist but the whole Hess case is a can of worms.
Hess WAS shot with a high power service rifle at fairly close range during WW1 but the body of Hess? when autopsied showed no scaring, entry or exit wound! The consultant surgeon to the British army and world authority on gunshot wounds also found this somewhat strange. Begs the question that if it wasn’t Hess then why would the stand in not spill the beans.
I won’t even start on how a man so frail manages to hang himself in a horizontal possition or that all his possesions were put into the summer house and burned before anyone could study the scene. Hardly normal practice!
As I said before I belive most conspiracy theories are rubbish but there are many strange twists in the Hess case. Personally I would have hung him (assuming of course it was him) and many many more who brought such evil to the world. Far too many got off.

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By: paulmcmillan - 11th May 2006 at 14:57

“Hi Paul,
Many thanks for your help. I have received excellent and very detailed info back from the member who have posted on the forum. Thanks to everyone who has helped with my query, we really appreciate it. As I suspect that you must be a member to post on the forum could you possibly paste this email to thank everyone for their help.

Thanks everyone!

Best wishes,
Liam Cranley “

PS. he is after a De Havilland,so he can get some interior shots…..

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By: Halibag-Phil - 11th May 2006 at 14:45

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Hi
try contacting After the battle magazine. They have done some very in depth articles on this subject. Also I am no conspiracy theorist but the whole Hess case is a can of worms.
Hess WAS shot with a high power service rifle at fairly close range during WW1 but the body of Hess? when autopsied showed no scaring, entry or exit wound! The consultant surgeon to the British army and world authority on gunshot wounds also found this somewhat strange. Begs the question that if it wasn’t Hess then why would the stand in not spill the beans.
I won’t even start on how a man so frail manages to hang himself in a horizontal possition or that all his possesions were put into the summer house and burned before anyone could study the scene. Hardly normal practice!
As I said before I belive most conspiracy theories are rubbish but there are many strange twists in the Hess case. Personally I would have hung him (assuming of course it was him) and many many more who brought such evil to the world. Far too many got off.

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By: paulmcmillan - 11th May 2006 at 14:08

He arrived the same day as he left, is this possible in a Dominie – I think he had to be transferred to something bigger like a Dakota

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By: paulmcmillan - 11th May 2006 at 14:04

According to the Times Digitial Archive of The Times, Tuesday, Oct 09, 1945;

“Rudolf Hess left Madley airfield, near Abergavenny, for Frankfort at 8.50 yestderay morning in
a Dominie aircrfat. He will stand his trial at Nuremberg as a war criminal.

Wisebaden, Oct 8th – Ruldolf Hess has arrived at the prision at Nuremberg. Kesselring and
Schact were placed in the same prison to-day – Reuter”

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By: JägerMarty - 11th May 2006 at 14:03

Amazing that such an aircraft was used for a high-profile transfer.

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By: Atcham Tower - 11th May 2006 at 09:30

The aircraft was a de Havilland Dominie (militarised Dragon Rapide). There are a few still flying, including one in period camouflage, so a reanactment shouldn’t be too difficult! Unfortunately, I can’t find my original notes at the moment but the aircraft flew from RAF Madley in Herefordshire. I find it difficult to believe that it flew all the way to Nuremburg. Maybe it ferried him to RAF Hendon or Croydon for onward flight in a Dakota? Anyway, the Dominie would have needed several refuelling stops. Approx 8-seater by the way. No 4 Radio School at Madley had Dominies and one of its aircraft could have been used for the flight. My notes came from the unit Operations Record Book held at The National Archives, Kew. The entry may have more details but I can’t remember.

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