Dutch Typhoon rear fuselages moved

Ok Dave – I have a larger version of the same photo added here..

I have it named as Nils Napier Sabre…

Nils Hempel most probably. He’s a well known German wreck-investigator.

http://spurensuchesh.de/kontakt.html

Hi, I don’t remember the engine I saw in Stade being mounted on a wall. Must be a very strong one at that! Or the mount well balanced.
But of course the Display could have been changed from the time I saw it.
I’am still looking for my slides.

Nils? would that be reference to a museum, area or person? Did you take that pic yourself? It is an interesting engine as it does look like a crash landing recovery, the tubes on the lower half of the engine frame look to have been replaced presumably because it needed to safely support the weight. Fairly undamaged but I wonder if any of the ancilliaries survived anywhere…

Ok Dave – I have a larger version of the same photo added here..

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I have it named as Nils Napier Sabre…

No anciiliary/auxiliary equipment mounted at all.

You are quite right Good Vibs….when I say ‘mine’ I am always referring to my custodianship of the fuselage. Hopefully it is my little way of trying to help the current and next generations remember the Typhoon and their crews, my son is already converted at the age of 4 (his grandparents and aunt say it is cruelty!!!).

I don’t know who took this photo, so unfortunately I can’t acknowledge them here, but is this the engine you were thinking of? The 4 blade prop certainly looks like a forced landing rather and a full crash.

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DaveR,
Good to hear that the Fuselage Section that was on Display in Twenthe has survived and is “yours”.
It was a nice small Museum with very interesting items, incl a F-104G Starfighter and a Meteor T-7 (?).
Their F-86K that was on Display at the entrance of the civil part of the Airport went to the collection at Soesterberg. When I was there last it was outside along with the other USAF jets.

I’ll look up my Kodachrome slides of the Techn Museum at Stade and pass on any other info that I can find.
The Tempest engine looked very good for one from a crash site. Perhaps it only crash landed?
The engine is huge so Transport would not be easy for the layman.

Good vibs….
Thanks for finding some more information for me…I would love to hear from anyone who may know what happened to the engine as it is on my list as a question mark (there have been quite a few that have been logged a separate survivors over the years but are in fact one in the same). Sadly I could tell the frame it was mounted on was a Tempest from the spar attachment points, does that mean I have been a Typhoon nut for too long?, so unless they found original engine/cockpit mounts and placed a Typhoon Sabre on it then it must have been Tempest. Would love to see the pics if you find them.

The fuselage you mention at Twenthe is my fuselage…the museum closed some years ago and the owners had it on long term loan at Fort Veldhuis, as mentioned before it is well worth a trip there as you would spend hours examining the recoveries and the detailed research they have completed there!!! you also get to see Cees’ work on Halifax and Hampden.

note: The sectioned Sabre at Duxford was donated from Cambridge Engineering Department…I believe it came from Napiers and was unfortunately sectioned by the engineering department.

There are probably enough for a 3rd centre section using original cockpit and there is a Tempest II rear fuselage around that when looked at in detail is the same as the Typhoon even down to the cockpit attachment brackets on Frame 2 (well a late sliding canopy Typhoon that is). As mentioned before the wings are the main structure that don’t really exist in any quantities (unless I can finally track down some of the rumours I have heard) however, they are a relatively simple design and there are some spars around to copy.

The article says there is enough parts for a 3rd complete Typhoon. Where is the 2nd example after MN235 at Hendon ?

There are definitely enough parts out there for another example….the wings are the easy part and all the difficult ones I know locations!! I even saw some front main wing spar girders for a typhoon the other week….
I would live to pair the cockpit at duxford with the fuselage…not sure they would let it go though 🙁

I am not sure there is enough parts out there to build a complete Typhoon. Mike Cookman searched for a good while for wings and found none at a time when there might just have been some lingering in scrapyards .

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Would be nice to put this original rear fuselage together with Duxfords original cockpit.

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This SABRE engine is on show at Duxford.
Not sure if it’s relevant to this thread.

Cabbage

Typically I am out of the country with work and the magazine arrives at home….always the way 🙂

Spoiler alert…. 😉
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Ah Yes, Now that you mention it it could have been a Tempest engine. Huge H type, thousands of sparkplugs! Yes, actually 24 cyl x 2 = 48.
The description was of how it was recovered from a Crash site after the a/c was shot down near Hamburg the last months of the war.
I have a Kodachrome slide or two of it. I’ll see if I can find it and post them.

Found out last night from friends that the Museum is closed now. Everything has been spread out to other Museums.
The City Stade wanted the land & buildings back!

Amoungst the various interesting exhibits they also had a collection of ex DDR jets, including an early Mig (15 or17) under wraps. I’ll check my photos, etc.

I have also seen the rear fuselage that was on Display in Twenthe, NL. The small Museum was offsite and not at the Airport.

Too bad they all can’t get together and get a complete Typhoon on Display.

Typically I am out of the country with work and the magazine arrives at home….always the way 🙂 I have seen a picture of a Sabre hung on a wall in a ‘German Museum’ with the engine mounth…is this the engine you refer to in the Technical Museum Good Vibs? If it is that is the first time I have had the museum name confirmed….just to be a real annorak I belive it was Tempest 🙂 Would be grateful for any more details on the museum or particularly the current status of the engine? anyone been there and have pictures?
Cheers
Dave

I think that the Technical Museum in Stade, Germany (across the River Elbe from Hamburg) had a very nice looking engine from a Typhoon on Display several years ago.
I have not been there for many years so can not say if its still there or not.
I thought then it would fit nicely with the other Typhoon parts, such as the cockpit or fuselage pieces on display in Europe.

They did have at the time have several ex DDR (East German) aircraft on Display but these have since left.

Just bumping up this old thread with new info, as my latest edition of Classic Wings is reporting (with a photo) that this forum’s very own DavidR has been successful in importing the rear fuselage of RB396 into the UK as mentioned back in April…

http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?28579-Hawker-Typhoon-parts/page3

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….. so I had to take my hat of to the guy that put all the work in!!! When I spoke to him (without my notes I think his name was Barry Field) he also added that the measurements used for the tubes were ‘educated calculations’ based on the parts that they had recovered (not having access to the Duxford example to measure).

DaveR et al….

Yes, pretty sure the guy was Barry, as he made it for the museum but his end product was limited by the material they had for him to work with.

Thus inspired, he subsequently purchased my large cache of Tempest/Typhoon parts for an equally large sum of £, to build his own cockpit, which i assume he is still doing (?).

Of all the Hawker stuff i’ve dealt with, i found the Tiffie/Tempest the most difficult to acquire parts & info’ on, and hats off to Rocketeer with his Hurricane (thinx: wonder what tube he uses ? :confused: )

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How did you know I was drooling Cees….had dry the keyboard before typing!!! I never got any replies from my letter…was the legal stuff sorted out then?

Any chance you could send me some detailed pics of it?

Dave,

I will do that this friday, hope the lighting is good enough for taking
some pics.

Cheers

Cees