March 9, 2006 at 3:21 pm
I hope we are not discussing this fellow on the Historic Aviation forum anytime soon…
By: cotteswold - 20th August 2008 at 16:55
Pass!
= Tim
By: Monsun - 20th August 2008 at 13:43
Dave
Can’t help you as yet as I’m only up to mid-1942 at the moment but I might have info on him soon.
In a new book I have coming out on the Biggin Hill Wing I included the story of a couple of evaders as an appendix and was hoping to do the same thing with 1 Squadron (I think there were two altogether). This would involve finding McKenzie’s de-brief papers at the National Archive which is by no means a certainty.
If I do I will let you know
Peter
By: Dave Homewood - 20th August 2008 at 13:26
I never realised we had a genuine Battle of Britain pilot on the forum, how exciting.
I wonder if either of you might have more information on a pilot who was apparently on No. 1 Squadron RAF later in the war, one John Walter McKenzie?
He was born here in my home town, according to the book By Such Deeds by Group Captain Colin Hanson, but I can find nothing on him locally and I contacted the No. 1 Squadron Association some time back and they couldn’t find anything either. All I have so far is on my website here:
http://www.cambridgeairforce.org.nz/John%20McKenzie.htm
Any further info would be much appreciated. I know it’s a longshot. Thanks.
By: Monsun - 20th August 2008 at 12:20
Thanks Tim
Will get something off to you in the next hour or so
Peter
By: cotteswold - 20th August 2008 at 12:06
Try [email]tim@elkington.net[/email]? Nothing is ‘private’ these days!
= Tim
By: Monsun - 20th August 2008 at 11:29
Tim
Thanks very much for the views of your log book, it looks incredibly detailed (unlike some!)
I hope we can have a chat at some point on my new project. I still have a lot of research to do but I did see your name again in the 1 Sqn ORB around August/September 1942 at Acklington, including a scramble on 29/8/42 in Hurricane BN205 with Sgt G.C. Whitmore in BD983.
If I may, I will send you a PM (or at least I will attempt to, having never sent one before) with more details.
Peter
By: cotteswold - 20th August 2008 at 10:44
No – I had not latched onto that. How exciting!!
Through the good offices of a friend, Andrew, & his great patience & deep pocket, I have now been able to put right my flight times from 1940. It has always bugged me to believe that they were incomplete or ‘falsified’.
Have a look at the difference. Well worth researching?
The ‘whiteouts ‘ in the original are to avoid confusion.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v164/photo04/RAF2/times1855x642.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v164/photo04/RAF2/times2855x642.jpg
= Tim
By: Monsun - 19th August 2008 at 10:32
Tim, thanks once again for that.
As you might already have realised I have a research project under way concerning your former squadron. This should result in a book (it has been agreed verbally) which would be my 14th. All being well the last one I did should be coming out next month (The Biggin Hill Wing 1941).
I can’t really say too much on here at the moment but I could PM you if you would be interested to hear a bit more. Suffice to say that I have mentioned you a number of times already!
Peter
By: cotteswold - 19th August 2008 at 08:52
Thanks – I’ll change the entry in my book!!
Motto? There is this other version!!

Berry? Strangely, I can’t recall either, despite his efforts on my behalf shown in my profile, for which I was unable to thank him – he was killed before I left Hospital. I probably called him Sir!! Nice that we were recently able to contact his Daugher & Granddaughter after all these years.
= Tim
By: Monsun - 19th August 2008 at 08:25
Thanks Tim.
It was definitely RamsEy as I went to school with his son and I’m still in touch with the family. After he left 1 Squadron he went onto a BAT Flight before returning to Typhoons at the end of 1944. Not sure of the squadron but it might have been 198.
I wonder if you could help with another query on 1 Squadron. Was F/Sgt F.G. Berry generally known by his first name Frederick or his second name George? I’ve seen both over the years.
Peter
By: cotteswold - 19th August 2008 at 06:41
RamsAy?? Shame – I don’t have a photo of him.
Motto? Can’t think when it was first perpetrated, but it’s one that I have always used!
= Tim
By: Monsun - 18th August 2008 at 18:26
Oh dear…but very easily done I can assure you. The older I get the more careful I have to be!
Tim, I wonder if you could answer a query I have regarding No.1 Squadron.
Many years ago I knew a pilot who flew with the squadron. His name was F/Sgt Walter Ramsey (later P/O) and he flew Hurricane IIs and Typhoons from April 1942 to January 1944.
He assured me that the slang term for the motto In Omnibus Princeps was ‘It’s Quicker By Bus’. I wonder if you can recall this term ever being used during the Battle of Britain period?
Peter
By: adrian_gray - 9th March 2006 at 16:04
Over Chatteris… Explains a lot if you ask me! :diablo:
Adrian