Horten Flying Wing – who knows what…

Here’s two shots of the Ho VI at the Udvar-Hazy center of the NASM.

You can see the Ho III (barely) in the top left of one of the pictures.

There is also a Ho III fuselage down on the floor beside the Fw 190 (in a jig).

The Ho VI is my personal favorite Horten, and I don’t understand how anyone could fit in such a small cockpit.

An AV 36:

http://home.arcor.de/pbreitenfelder/g-fauvel_av_36.htm

There is also a Fauvel sitting in the hangar at Old Warden. its very good at catching dead flies

Is that the tailless glider sitting on a trailer in the last hanger?

There is also a Fauvel sitting in the hangar at Old Warden. its very good at catching dead flies

Not all Fauvel’s were twin tailed. The GPPA museum at Angers has one
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/museeregionalgppa/

Hi,

Does anyone know if the Fauvel of the RAFGSA was ever displayed at an RAF Halton air display? as I have memories of watching a flying wing there and have long wondered what it was.

Also does antone have a picture of the Fauvel? as it would be nice to see what it looked like.

Steve

Argentinean Hernan Longoni, published at www.laahs.com a few years back, an article on one of the Horten wings, titled “Gauchos and Naranjeros.”

Naranjero = Orange carrier, was the popular nickname given to one of the flying wings (IAe-38), supposedly to be used to transport oranges from the interior of Argentina, to the city, Buenos Aires. The photo shows the glider version, while the plans show how the powered version would look.

I have an html copy of the article, for those interested. Send me your e-mail address via PM.

Enclosed, a photo of the “Naranjero” [author unknown, property of www.laahs.com] .

Lastly, I doubt that the Argentineans would part with their aeronautical patrimony, and I would be cautious about anyone offering anything for sale, unless it is a bona-fide government entity in Argentina.

Even then, there would be plenty of red tape that should be dealt with in order to export the aircraft.

Saludos,

Tulio

It’s very difficult to tell from that aspect, but my guess would be either an Ae 34m (H XV b) single seat, of which there were 2 built or a H XVI “Colidra”, one built, crashed & according to “Nurflugel” never repaired. Do you have a picture from a different aspect?

Interesting comment on Fred Breezes Oozlebird, but unfortunitly his son told me it was burnt in the early to mid 70 due to water damage.

Any idea where is taken the photo of the glider.

It doesn’t seem to be a XV. The fuselage is too much fine.

A fauvel AV-36 without the tails ?

The Halton glider is likely to be a Fauvel of the RAFGSA which I used to watch flying at Bicester,it actually managed to soar fairly well for its age.

I remember a flying wing glider made by a Fred Breeze and known perhaps irreverently as the ‘Oozlebird’ which was propped up against the wall of the old Nobel Dynamite factory which then served as the glider hangar at Perranporth Airfield (RAF Trevellas) back in the 1960’s. I wonder if that might just be the one that was later at Halton? I think I am right in saying that Mr Breeze came and took it away eventually.

I say bring her back. The brothers deserve more respect for what they did.

The survivor’s list at: http://www.nurflugel.com/Nurflugel/where/where.shtml
indicates that original Horten gliders are quite rare. But, rarity doesn’t always equal a monetary value. I would assume that the task of securing the Nurflügel would include both difficult negotiations and lots of patience…

“All the Hortens that were flown in Argentina are/were property of the State. None are in flyable shape (nor will they ever be again). The gliders (one surviving Clen Antu, two H Xs (Piernifero I, Piernifero II), and a couple of two seat Clen Antus ) remain in the museum of the Aerotecnica near Cordoba.”

Regards,

Jan

Thanks guys – appreciate it. I guess its not that rare or significant…

What makes you say that? I got the impression form the book that they didn´t build all that many examples of any of their designs, so I would definitely think its rare.

I´d buy it!*

JD

*If I had any money, or could fly it.

Why some orange paint on the left wing ?

Thanks guys – appreciate it. I guess its not that rare or significant…

Fred – The picture was sent to me by someone trying to “broker” it to me. I guess the “paint” is photoshop added to hide the registration to stop me tracking it down…

I can thoroughly recommend the book ‘Nurflügel’, as it is the most comprehensive that has appeared in print on these revolutionary designs.

There is also the book ‘The Horten Brothers and Their All-Wing Aircraft’ by David Myhra. It’s expensive, though, at $59,95. More here: http://www.warbirdforum.com/myhra.htm

More on the Horten designs can be found here: http://www.nurflugel.com/Nurflugel/Horten_Nurflugels/horten_nurflugels.html

while a bibliography on the Horten and Northrop, among others, Flying Wings can be found here: http://www.warbirdforum.com/bibwing.htm

Regards,

Jan

There was a Horten-type tail-less glider lurking in the back of a hangar at Halton as recently as last year. Anyone know what that was?

Why some orange paint on the left wing ?

There is an interesting book written by one of the Horten brothers about their exploits, both during the war and post war in Argentina. Its called “Nurflugel”…

http://www.aerodesign.de/literatur/nurflugel.htm

…and I was surprised to see some large tailless transport aircraft pictured, that they had designed and built. This should give you all the info that you need, but AFAIK, its only available in German! Hope this helps.

James D