Messerschmitt 163

Hello

Can somebody tell me, what color was the lower wing and fuselage aerea of the Me 163 VF 241 painted? Was it realy yellow or another “light color” how written on teh VF241 site?

Cranwell Museum

According to my records this WAS the IWM’s 191060 that was at Wittering in December 1947, from where it was taken to 54MU at Cambridge for storage and later transferred to the museum at Cranwell. When this museum closed, it was loaned to the IWM at Lambeth and erroneously painted as ‘191160’. It was moved to Duxford in October 1976 for restoration. This may be where the discrepancy lay?

Now that’s interesting … is this the same museum that is featured in the film “High Flight” and which apparently displayed a late-Griffon Spitfire and a camouflaged Vampire? There have been several posts on this film and the mystery Spitfire over the years and the general assumption has been that the museum only existed in the film. Maybe there is more to the story?

The FHC 163 is in restoration and will beon view when the collection opens in June at Paine.

Norm

Sometime in the sixties I was taken by an ‘RAF’ Uncle, to a hangar on the RAF side of Biggin Hill and given a priviledged view of some interesting aeroplanes stored there. I remember a ME163, a ME110 with the night location aerials, there may have been a Dornier and a Heinkel 111 also a 109. I was only a boy and although I was already hooked on aeroplanes I don’t think I understood the full significance of what I was being shown.
I believe the aircraft went on to the RAF museum when it was founded.
Does anyone know what other aircraft were stored at Biggin at that time? It may jog my memory as to what I saw that day!

Hello

First, sorry for my bad english

I found this site on my search for informations about the english Me163 VF241

In the first post, grounded says, that he had seen the VF241, so i hope, he (or someone else) can tell me the color of the lower aereas of the Plane, most time it is shown as yellow, but in the link of the 8th post, there is written: “This is often represented as yellow in drawings, but this color is not confirmed yet” so that i am not shure, what color is right.

I build an RC Plane in 1:7 of the VF241 so i hope, i can give the model the right color.

thanks a lot

Georg Funk

THAT’S WHY THE RAF HAD HEDGES SILLY!!!

LMAO! 😀

You missed this one:

http://www.aviation.technomuses.ca/collections/artifacts/aircraft/MesserschmittMe163B-1aKomet.shtml

They had two but I believe one was traded to the USAF collection in Ohio for an aircraft in return. edit: Found it:
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/air_power/ap16a.htm

No I didn’t, check my figures, nine quoted, the other two are Canada and Australia but I didn’t think they came into the discussion!

Well, you should have taken more notice of it! :p There are about eleven survivors in the world with 2 in Germany, 3 in the U.S. and 4 in the U.K. although one of these might be going/have gone to the U.S. Considering your date of ’47, you could assume that you saw one of the current U.K. residents. 🙂

You missed this one:

http://www.aviation.technomuses.ca/collections/artifacts/aircraft/MesserschmittMe163B-1aKomet.shtml

They had two but I believe one was traded to the USAF collection in Ohio for an aircraft in return. edit: Found it:
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/air_power/ap16a.htm

According to my records it was loaned to the IWM at Lambeth and erroneously painted as ‘191160’. It was moved to Duxford in October 1976 for restoration. This may be where the discrepancy lay?

And that has set the cat among the pigeons 😀

According to my records this WAS the IWM’s 191060 that was at Wittering in December 1947, from where it was taken to 54MU at Cambridge for storage and later transferred to the museum at Cranwell. When this museum closed, it was loaned to the IWM at Lambeth and erroneously painted as ‘191160’. It was moved to Duxford in October 1976 for restoration. This may be where the discrepancy lay?

Or in the Komet’s case, complete lack of both! 😮

THAT’S WHY THE RAF HAD HEDGES SILLY!!!

It is not the wheels that matter but the brakes!

Or in the Komet’s case, complete lack of both! 😮

No doubt explaining why high-speed aircraft land on wheels…
😀

Adrian

It is not the wheels that matter but the brakes!

No doubt explaining why high-speed aircraft land on wheels…
😀

Adrian

Hi,

Checked last night and according to his book ‘Wings of the Luftwaffe’ Eric Brown wrote an ME163 off by crashing into a hedge at Wittering on 15th November 1947, whilst looking at the benefits of skid landing gear for highspeed aircraft.

Regards Steve.

Any chance this is werk no. 191660? That aircraft is not scrapped – now in Paul Allen’s hands if this website accurate
http://www.preservedaxisaircraft.com/

edit … I guess not – have looked at Flying Heritage Collection website and no such aircraft listed in their possession – was this true at some stage but moved on?

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Me.163B-1a
Unit: unknown
Serial: VF241 (W.Nr.191060)
This British marked Messerschmitt Me163 was captured towards the end of the war in unknown circumstances. It was flown at Farnborough as a glider; towed into the air by a Spitfire. Initially used foraerodynamic research; it was later used in trials regarding the feasibility of undercarriageless naval fighters. It flew well into 1947 before it was wrecked in a landing accident. Despite claims to the contrary this is not the Me.163 preserved at the Imperial War Museum in London.

Artist: unknown
Source: Luftwaffe Experten Message Board

Discuss at FORUM

No offence Grounded, that is what smilies are for!

i might be wrong on this, but i seem to recall seeing one in the RAF collection at ST.Athans in the 70’s…..or am i just imagining it..?

I have had a quick glance through ‘War Prizes’ by PHIL BUTLER and have a possibility for you.
191060 ??? – RAF reg VF241:- is mentioned as being flight tested, towed behind a spitfire to altitude and released. Landings were made at RAF Wittering until 15th November 1947 the skid collapsed and the 163 scrapped.

Any chance this is werk no. 191660? That aircraft is not scrapped – now in Paul Allen’s hands if this website accurate
http://www.preservedaxisaircraft.com/

edit … I guess not – have looked at Flying Heritage Collection website and no such aircraft listed in their possession – was this true at some stage but moved on?

Many thank’s Halifax.

On the website I mentioned above Post2 (and specific link below) it’s listed as a Postwar Komet VF241
http://www.xs4all.nl/~robdebie/me163/vf241.htm