December 23, 2005 at 3:29 pm
Can anyone tell me if the roundel used on this fuselage is accurate – were they ever used without the white ring between red and blue?

Steve
By: steve_p - 25th December 2005 at 12:39
According to Mason’s ‘The British Bomber’, 455 used Hampdens at Swinderby from July 41 until April 42! Not that it matters, it’s certainly wrong for a Mossie.
And yes, Happy Christmas to all.
After that, they went over to Coastal Command and continued using the Hampden at Leuchars and briefly, the USSR, before re-equipping with the Beaufighter in 1943.
The Australian War Memorial has an online copy of the 455 (Australia) Squadron ORB. It’s well worth a read.
Best wishes
Steve P
By: TempestNut - 24th December 2005 at 22:17
Interestingly, for some at least, 487’s original compliment of aircraft were painted in the day fighter scheme and not as nearly all subsequent mossie fighters in the night-fighter scheme. EG-T ( MM417 ) is one of these early aircraft. Apparently the pilots reported that the scheme was too visible, and preferred the night fighter scheme of medium sea grey all over with a disruptive pattern of green on the upper surfaces. 487 was one of the original FB6 squadrons having reluctantly been asked to give up the Ventura.
By: WebPilot - 24th December 2005 at 19:37
455 (Australia) Squadron were using Hampdens with dulled down roundels into 1943, but I agree that it was primarily an early war thing. Maybe the modeller is using this source and has not got round to applying the white yet?
http://www.rafweb.org/SqnMark485-490.htm
Of course, being the owner he can paint it any way he likes. 😀
Have a great Christmas and New Year guys.
Steve P
According to Mason’s ‘The British Bomber’, 455 used Hampdens at Swinderby from July 41 until April 42! Not that it matters, it’s certainly wrong for a Mossie.
And yes, Happy Christmas to all.
By: steve_p - 24th December 2005 at 15:47
455 (Australia) Squadron were using Hampdens with dulled down roundels into 1943, but I agree that it was primarily an early war thing. Maybe the modeller is using this source and has not got round to applying the white yet?
http://www.rafweb.org/SqnMark485-490.htm
Of course, being the owner he can paint it any way he likes. 😀
Have a great Christmas and New Year guys.
Steve P
By: WebPilot - 24th December 2005 at 14:59
Sharp & Bowyers “Mosquito” has a number of colour schemes illustrated, but none have the dulled down roundel as in the photo – also I think this was only used in the very early war years by early types such as the Wellington, Hamdpen etc, so it would be out of place on a Mossie.
The camo scheme is a little untoward as well – the demarkation line between upper and lower surfaces on the fuselage sides is usually aligned between the wing and just below the tailplane.
That aside, nice model!
By: HP57 - 24th December 2005 at 12:05
Having seen the Narnia-movie at the Empire cinema at Leicester Square last weekend, I must admit being impressive with the Heinkel 111 footage in the beginning of the film.
So there could be hope
Cees
By: mike currill - 24th December 2005 at 11:26
Nice model, though.
633 Sqn remake anyone?
No! Some of it was good, some of it was bad. If they did a remake it would probably come all bad and I couldn’t handle that
By: steve_p - 23rd December 2005 at 17:55
I’ve a sneaking feeling that the guy who painted the Mossie has not made a mistake. The red portion looks to me a tad too big to be a standard Type B. Its more consistent with a C1 that has had the white overpainted with red.
Best wishes
Steve P
By: HP57 - 23rd December 2005 at 17:45
Early on in the war, some Bomber Command units painted over the white in the roundels. Never seen it done on a Mossie though.
Best wishes
Steve P
Indeed, they were used on Wellingtons
Cheers
Cees
By: steve_p - 23rd December 2005 at 17:40
Early on in the war, some Bomber Command units painted over the white in the roundels. Never seen it done on a Mossie though.
Best wishes
Steve P
By: DazDaMan - 23rd December 2005 at 16:12
I used to have a 1/10th scale Mossie in 109 Squadron markings (GB-A), wish I’d kept it so I could have seen it fly! 🙁 Had to sell it ‘cos it was a bit of a hazard! :rolleyes:
By: 682al - 23rd December 2005 at 15:58
Nice model, though.
633 Sqn remake anyone?
By: TEXANTOMCAT - 23rd December 2005 at 15:53
As DLT would say….quack quack oops….. 😀
TT
By: hunterxf382 - 23rd December 2005 at 15:49
The aircraft it was representing was EG-T ( MM417 ) of No 487 Sqn RNZAF, No. 140 wing, No. 2 Group, 2nd TAF.
Steve
Ya mean this one: 😀
By: hunterxf382 - 23rd December 2005 at 15:46
This link might help – the official guide from the RAF itself – seems that the white was always there until recently (I was in RAF from 1978, and 2 tone markings without white appeared from early 70’s.)
By: Slipstream - 23rd December 2005 at 15:43
The aircraft it was representing was EG-T ( MM417 ) of No 487 Sqn RNZAF, No. 140 wing, No. 2 Group, 2nd TAF.
Steve
By: hunterxf382 - 23rd December 2005 at 15:42
Yeah, doesn’t look right without the white – although need to check that there weren’t some exceptions made with markings during the wartime period – these things happen….
Pic shows RR299 as it flew in preservation:
By: TEXANTOMCAT - 23rd December 2005 at 15:39
Yes I was right – should be a Type C1 on the side, he has gone for Type B with yellow edging which is wrong wrong wrong – and a bit rubbish as pictures of this aircraft can easily be found on the web
By: TEXANTOMCAT - 23rd December 2005 at 15:34
Doesnt look right to me should have white in it
Looks like 487 Squadron codes (RR299?)
– Bruce?
TT