Concorde Group Meeting

Would someone like to share the joke before moving this to historic?

…er think that should read ‘hysteric! 😉

I believe the S.A aircraft incorporate some mods which were carried out on the Saudi fleet but not ours.The complexity issue more concerns manual reversion or lack of it
and the loss rate per hours flown.

There is also the need to have a decent training program for the aircrew who would operate complex aircraft.

I believe the S.A aircraft incorporate some mods which were carried out on the Saudi fleet but not ours.The complexity issue more concerns manual reversion or lack of it
and the loss rate per hours flown.

Mike Beachyhead’s ones haven’t had any problems!

I know but they are mostly two seaters and by strange coincidence they never had a problem with fires. In any case the fires are the excuse the CAA give.

Surely something like the BAPC was supposed to adress these sorts of issues?

Now I know you have a sense of humour John 😉

Ollie -scrapped in France. Unfortunately a trend that wasn’t allowed to continue!

I wonder what happens to all the money that enthusiasts donate to the various restore-to-fly funds that have existed but never manage to produce. Hmm.

Another thought: BA is listed on the stock exchange. It’s owned by thousands of people. You are going to have to get all of them to agree on getting it to fly. If they don’t agree, they may sell their shares, the share value will fall and, if your pension fund has shares in BA, which it may well do, that is your pension depreciating.

I do agree they do a great job of it. The plans for the new hanger seem to get a fair few of them under cover.

Ollie

In My opinion it happens because there is a lack of planning , a lack of money and a lack of priorities – there is no concious effort to do any harm it’s just a lack of focus in the importance and sequence in which things need to be done – Dux does a great job but like all large collections they struggle with the eneormity of the task and are constantly diverted to new tasks like the superhanger. They are aware of the need to house the aircraft but it loses priority somehow – It is to be hoped that they all get under a roof in time for it to be worth it. I might add that the staff and volunteers do a great job in trying to stop the rot and the aircraft are supposed to be better than they look, So Stop with the Vulcan and Concord – get the house in order then dream.

Surely something like the BAPC was supposed to adress these sorts of issues? If not a body that can do it needs to be formed

Regards
John p

Setter, i agree with you there. Get those airliners under cover, or at least slightly better looked after than they are. The shackleton brings tears to my eye every time i go there. How can they do that to her?

All the Concordes that were built, with the exception of two have been ‘preserved’

Apart from the Tragic Paris incident what happened to the other one? Scrapped? Not finished?

Hi Guys – rusty record but – Priorities and sense of proportion here.

Theoritically lets assume you get one of these flying – It will sap several hundredsof thousands/Millions out of the “Money Sump” or pool of funds available/donated to aircraft preservation as the Vulcan has done. Lets all sit down and have a good stiff Earl Grey and get some sense of priority and proportion back into this – Forget about flying this – accept the inevitable and raise a campaign to get all the airliners at Duxford under cover, rebuild a Stirling, a Baffin or any of a hundred extinct types – start a fund to interest new blood in our movement – just be practicle and look around you – resources are scarce and the job is huge without needless distractions

Just my opinion
Regards
John P

Moggy, I can get the information for you, bear with me, as I am not too clued up on the technical side of it 🙂

Have you given them any money?????

I’d love to see Concorde fly again, but somethimes we All have to be realistic. It ain’t gonna happen guv!

Its nothing to do with BAe. You need to talk to Airbus who are the design authority.

They withdrew support which caused them to be grounded in the first place. Rolls wont support the engines and have indeed disabled them in the ones on display, oh and theres the little matter of the intake arrangement and controls the design and operation of which is still Classified under the OSA.

Its nothing like a lightning because it didnt have a long history of catching fire and crashing due to a design fault which cannot be rectified (which is the real reason why the CAA wont ever approve a Lightning in the UK) Its more like a Vulcan.

If you are trying to raise money to preserve a concorde then raise it to put a roof over its head because you will never fly one.

On the subject of ‘preserved’ concordes, what news of the one in Barbados?

And also, what happened to Manchesters plans to put theirs in a glass fronted hangar?

J man

Presumably BA own the aircraft still?

I must admit I agree with Janie. It might be better to talk to BAe first before worrying about whether BA would give one away. If you can’t operate it then there’s no real point.

Moggy

You guys are referring to BA. Do you mean British Airways or did you mean BAe – British Aerospace? Even if BA were suddenly in favour, surely BAe may not approve?

Will the CAA not class it as a complex aircraft? If they let a Concorde fly in private hands why not a lightning?

Personally, i don’t think we’ll ever see concorde fly again for the reasons listed in above posts plus think of the insurance!

How about ground running one a la Bruntingthorpe? At least it will be ‘alive’.

J man

Just add my thoughts here, would love to see one at Brunty but we are over stretched as it is, the current A/C dont get all the attention they need.
Keep them where they are.
Just to add about Lightnings flying in the UK which has been covered many times here, we the LPG have no plans to go anywhere near this issue, we will keep them running for as long as possible then retire them to their own Lightning Museum (the QRA hanger) for all to come and enjoy.

Good luck to the Concorde crew 🙂

.. they used to put in about 26 tons and used to land with about 10/11 left. This was a flight of about 30 minutes or so and so would be equivalent(ish) to a display flight.

So about 17,000 to 18,000 litres (Rough and ready conversion for 14 tonnes) for the display flight.

JetA1 is about 45p / litre

Say £7,500 – £8,000 per display – fuel only.

Hmmm.

Moggy

Delta,

So even if BA does agree to the idea (huge risk I’d have thought and J man raises one or two other considerations) how do you plan to obtain the necessary resources including funding with no idea of a figure?

Seems like one hell of an obstacle to me.

BTW, who’s the MP? Does he carry an real clout?