September 25, 2005 at 5:36 pm
I’m a fan of classic propliners, and I am always looking for some of the less well-known types. I mean, I’ve seen enough pictures of Douglases, Boeings, Lockheeds and the like. I know there are a lot of other, lesser well-known types, which are also very interesting and I search the web for facts, data and pictures. One of those almost unknown types was a French built, very big ‘quadrimoteur’, the SNCASE SE.2010 Armagnac. Only 8 of them were built, and it first flew in 1949. Not many people know it was the biggest aircraft ever -for a short time only, until the Bristol Brabazon appeared a few months later. It carried up to 160 pax and it had a payload of some 20 tonnes, which was quite something in those days. It was not successful however, as Air France considered the type too costly to operate and cancelled their orders. After being operated commercially for just 8 months from 1952 by TAI (predecessor of UTA) they were all WFU and stored. In the years 1953-1955 they were put back into service on a Toulouse-Saigon shuttle by SAGETA to transport troops and supplies to the war in Indo-China, in which France was involved. In 1954 they were retired and broken up in 1955.
So much for a little bit of the history from this unknown, but graceful airliner.
I found a photograph of the cockpit of the Armagnac, and what struck me was the strange cockpit lay-out. It seems there were no conventional control columns. As you can see in the picture, it looks like it had, for both the captain’s position as well as the co-pilot’s position each, two huge bars sticking up into the cockpit. Obviously these bars replaced the control columns you usually see in aircraft cockpits and which control the ailerons and the horizontal stabilizer. This cockpit looks more like the way a tank or a bulldozer is steered.
My question: does anyone how the bars work the control surfaces, has any of you seen these kind of controls before, or after in any other type of a/c? Must have been quite a challenge to take-off or land this huge airliner with these kind of control bars!
I found the pictures here: http://www.eads.net/frame/lang/en/1024/content/OF00000000400004/5/62/542625.html
Tillerman.
By: Tillerman - 27th September 2005 at 12:22
EADS is the parent company of Airbus. And SNCASE is one of the French aircraft manufacturers which went up into Sud Aviation, wich in its turn merged into Airbus Industrie.
More on the -complicated- history of French aircraft builders before Airbus was born:
http://www.eads.net/frame/lang/en/1024/content/OF00000000400004/1/38/548381.html
Makes for interesting reading.
And now back to the question I started this thread for; obviously no one is familiar with the controls of the Armagnac?
Tillerman.
By: Archer - 26th September 2005 at 15:51
Now who’s gonna say that Airbus invented the side-stick for civil airliners!
By: AndyG - 26th September 2005 at 12:34
Must be some mistake, that is clearly a cockpit picture of Thunderbird IV 😀
By: RPSmith - 26th September 2005 at 00:38
Fascinating.
My guess is that both bars (of one set) move back or forward for climb or descend and one moves forward and the other back for roll. So, for example, for a climbing turn both bars would move back but one more than the other?
Big problem that any control movements have to be carried out with both hands.
Roger Smith