Question about "747" contender for the C-5 Galaxy job

Dates were Lockheed win, Oct/65 with GE TF39 (CF-6). Pratt left with paper JT9D, Boeing with lookalike lifter. Together they persuaded PanAm that 20 pax bigfellas would be a good idea and priced their bid on assumption of some dozens more as commercial freighters. Trippe ordered 20 747/JT9D April/66 at $5Mn. each. 747X is on offer today >$200Mn.
This had been a very early all-up, fixed price procurement, and Lockheed just got it wrong. The 81 C-5A near-bankrupted them in 1971, and very market-force Congress had to bail them out. At the time it was seen as politics: we now know black had a lot to do with it.
Burbank C-5 and L-1011 design teams included Brits made redundant by Healey.

Lockheed made a very optmistic assumption on costs and technical feasibility. As always the MTOW was way too optimistic. Same applies for B747, which first was designed for much lower MTOWs.
Lockheed was bankrupted in the first hand by the L-1011 development, especially the RB-211 disaster. The real winner of the Galaxy program was in my General Electric, who got their engine financed and made it afterwards the CF-6 with lower bypass-ratio. However, I don’t think B747 gained much through the CX-HLS design contest.

Dates were Lockheed win, Oct/65 with GE TF39 (CF-6). Pratt left with paper JT9D, Boeing with lookalike lifter. Together they persuaded PanAm that 20 pax bigfellas would be a good idea and priced their bid on assumption of some dozens more as commercial freighters. Trippe ordered 20 747/JT9D April/66 at $5Mn. each. 747X is on offer today >$200Mn.
This had been a very early all-up, fixed price procurement, and Lockheed just got it wrong. The 81 C-5A near-bankrupted them in 1971, and very market-force Congress had to bail them out. At the time it was seen as politics: we now know black had a lot to do with it.
Burbank C-5 and L-1011 design teams included Brits made redundant by Healey.

If my memory doesn’t fail me, the airplane we now call 747 was the Boeing contender for the C-X job back in the 1960s, wich ultimately went to the Lookheed C-5 Galaxy.

Does anyone have any diagrams on how that pre 747 looked? I don’t think there was a prototype ever built, but diagrams/schematics/artist interpretations could have existed.

Cheers,

Moe

The B747 was no contender in that set-up. The Boeing proposal for the CX-HLS also had high-mounted wings. I think the Boeing proposal had low horizontal tail and no complete second deck but the “747-hump”. However, the Boeing proposal was considered more advanced as Lockheed’s but still was not chosen. The proposal for the CX-HLS was just a design study. No metal was cut. So all claim about commonality between that proposal and the first 747 are academic.
Still would love to see a picture.

I think I have that somewhere… If I can find it, i’ll post it here.

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Anyone?

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