Avia B.122. Magic Aerobatic aircraft of the 1930's

No worrie’s Papa mate!

Just keep enjoying it! Peter.

GAS mate, I think I may know the plane you speak of, Ca 164, but I think there is another Itie job, that is almost a twin of a DH-60, seen a story on one a while back somewhere, but have forgotten what type it was..

Is this the one that looks a bit like a Italian DH 60?

Yep. That Avia looks nice.

I think the Italian DH60 look-alike is a Caproni of some kind. Anyone with wider knowledge of such things able to produce a piccie?

Sorry, Phil, I am terribly busy with translation work at the moment and hardly have time to cram in some aerobatic flying this weekend in Stockholm (hope the weather holds), never mind looking at pictures, although I hope to have some of my own to put up next week! (Here I go, bragging again!)
The Forum must take second place just now!

That is a Damn shame Jan, quiet a nice looking aircraft.

Papa Lima, have you seen these pictures yet old mate.

You too Papa. may have a request from Jans amazing collection.

Jan anymore picture’s of the Ba-122 or like would do nicely if you have more mate.

To do another type of aircraft I think we should start a seperate thread.

I think, most of the factory plans do still exist, but it would be necessary
to recalculate the entire airplane according to the current rules. It would take
a long time to do this. The czech CAA is very strict(is called somethink like
“Aviation Subduing Authority” among pilots), so it would be necessary to
build the replica in some other country.
There are several more problems – e.g. I do not know if there exists a suitable
engine.

Flying capabilities of the machine – flying the positive maneuvers could be really nice.
Vertical maneuvers would be probably limited by a high drag.
By the inverted maneuvers it probably never could beat planes with symetrical airfoil like Zlin Z-50, Extra 300, SU-26…
If I compare the mass/power ratio:
-720kg/221kW = 3.25 (Z-50)
– 920kg/295kW = 3.1 (Su-31)
-1080kg/317kw = 3.4 (Ba-122)
– 830kg/95kW = 8.7 (Tiger Moth)

Please note, the airplane has been designed more than 70 years ago. In that time it was probably one of the best aerobatic designs in the world. Since that time many things changed.
If I consider the effort to build a single piece of this airplane fully airworthy
and the maitenance/flying costs, I do not believe somebody is gonna build it again…

Really Jan!

WOW Mate! 😎 , dont get me started Jan :rolleyes: .

We could be here for day’s!!!! 😀 , will get back too you on that, as you maybe able to assist a lot more other people too on this forum, and I KNOW a lot of them will just love what you might have in your pandora’s box :rolleyes: .

I must now go and do some dinner, as I am home alone tonight, as my Stepdaughter Angie, has gone to visit relly’s for 3 whole day’s, to kick off the school holiday’s here!!

YIPPEEE 😀 , Can walk around nude in me flat for a few day if I want too, (must remember to shut blind’s :diablo: , tommorow’s Sunday, and I live on a Church property, they might tried and pull a Spanish Inquizition on me if they spot me :dev2: ).

I really do hope some day soon another Ba-122 will fly again, seem’s a much too beautiful plane not to up in the air doing what she was built for.

Very nice indeed, and sound’s like it may have rivaled, even some of today’s great aerobatic plane’s.

What do you think Jan, a flyer ever possible mate ??

I do have a lot of old aeroplane pictures. Depends in what are you interested….

Great Link too Jan, all greek too me, but some great stuff mate.

I see they are building an English version, so then I will get in to it a bit more.

Thank You again.

No worrie’s Jan Mate.

knowing GMO he may just contact you.

Please if you have anymore great old picture’s Jan, and it’s not too much trouble, or put’s you out some mate, can you post anymore shot’s.

Thank you again, they are wonderful stuff Jan, REAL HISTORY!!.

You are a Lucky boy Jan!

Hallo, if your friend needs better resolution pictures,
drawings etc. just let me know…

http://www.militarymuseum.cz/cz/cz/muzeum_expo_detail.php?id=4&id_muzeum=3&id_kat=3

Technical data:
Engine: Avia Rk-17, 317 kW (430 hp)
Wingspan (m) 8,85
Length (m) 6,80
Mass empty (kg) 781
MTOW (kg) 1 080
Max. speed (km/h) 270
Ceiling (m) 7 000
Range (km) 575
Design load (g) +18/-11

And Hey Jan, A HUGE welcome and G’ day to the Forum, from Phil Nankivell Downunda in Oz mate!!

MR JAN !!!!!!

WOW 😮 WOW 😮 WOW 😮

Jan mate, you have just made my day!!!! 😀

WHAT a fantastic slice of Aviation history, you have brought here for all to see! 😮

And how cool 😎 , you even met THE man himself.

I must contact a friend of mine, downunder here in New Zealand., Who like me love’s history and great old plane’s(also has an Old Aeroplane Mag, C.W.D.).

I will provide him with a link, so he too can see these just AMAZING slice’s of aviation history, He is also a mate of Evzen’s(above), and I had told him of the great Shot’s Evzen had posted 😎 , in replie to my thread.

Thank’s you again so muchly Jan 😉 ,

THIS is Exactly what I would have dreamed of having on the thread, BUT!!!!!! NEVER would have thought it could happen 😮 .

WOW…..NOW THAT IS HISTORIC AVIATION, RIGHT THERE!!!! :dev2:

One more image…

Pilot Novak, Siroky, Hubacek & Avia Ba-122

Here are some pictures scanned from my archive.
Those are photos of great men who flew this wonderfull
machines many years ago, photos of fabulous Frantisek Novak’s
aerobatic team.

“The outstanding aerobatic pilot Frantisek Novak,
flew OK-AVE to 4th place. Vincennes Rally, June 1934.
Also Novak, encouraged by the B. 122 designer, formed a top line
aerobatic team. Novak, Siroky and Hubacek taking out 2nd and 3rd ,
1936 Berlin Olympic’s contest.
Top 3 for there class Zurich meeting July 1937.” (see Stormbird’s note above)

The pictures below were mostly taken at Plzen(Pilsen), May 10th 1936
at old Plzen-Bory airfield (1911-cca 1960, a university has been build there later).
I personaly met the Mr. Hubacek many times, I was a joung
boy at the moment.
He was really a gentle and modest man, friend of my grandfather.
Several years later, after he died, I have found he was “the famous Hubacek”…
Pictures:
272: Novak
273: Novak, Siroky
274: Hubacek
277: Novak, Siroky, Hubacek with president Benes
278_2: Novak + his own signature
280: Novak

Any bid’s for a re-build project????

Quiet an interesting aircraft

Thank’s everyone 😀 😀 😀 .

What a pitty no more flying 🙁 , any chance of a rebuild flying project happening anywhere :confused: .

YOU are a VERY lucky man Evzen 😀 😉 , thank’s so much for bringing us all thoses lovely shot’s mate 🙂 .

Anymore comment’s from the peanut gallery would me most welcome!! :diablo:

I have a model of the Ba.422 in 1/72 by RS Models of the Czech Republic. A nice looking resin model, looking at this thread might just have moved it up the build pile!

They also do a Ba.122 and Ba.222.

For some nice pics of these models built up, follow this link…

http://vinar.cz/mitte/b122.htm

Nice looking aeroplane.

STORMBIRD262

DO any survive at all, …..maybe in flying condition

Yes , partial replica in museum Prague Kbely .
photograph No.1 Avia Ba-122
photograph No.2 Avia Ba-122 + Wife and son 😀

Evžen