August 8, 2005 at 11:00 pm
Morning All,
I was going through a museums of the world book yesterday and found some aircraft that either I had never heard off or didn’t realise they survived.
If anyone has any pics of these could they post them please?
Douglas XBT2D-1 Destroyer II (Skyraider) – Walter Soplata Collection, Ohio
Fleetwings BT-12 – Walter Soplata Collection, Ohio
Breese Penguin – USA somewhere
Lloyd 40.01 – Hungarian Transport Museum
If no one has any objections I may add to this list.
Thanks in advance all
By: Evzen Vsetecka - 11th August 2005 at 21:22
GAK-22 Dino
By: Spiteful21 - 10th August 2005 at 22:39
Thank you very much Evzen ๐
Just out of interest in Lloyd (3).jpg there is an aircraft behind HA-YACT. Are you able to tell me what it is please, and do you have any pictures of it?
Thanks again (this is why I love this forum, lots of helpful people)
By: Evzen Vsetecka - 10th August 2005 at 18:33
Hi Spiteful21
perhaps,you something throws .
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Lloyd 40.01 – Hungarian Transport Museum
By: RPSmith - 10th August 2005 at 18:13
Breese trainers on flight line – 1918
Specifications:
Wingspan: 14’4″
Length: 19’2″
Top Speed: 35 mph
Engine: 28hp Lawrance
On Loan: Friend’s For Long Island’s Heritage
Breese Penguin
Farmingdale, 1918
During World War One the Army wanted to develop a non-flying trainer which would give student pilots the feel of airplane controls at near-flying speeds, without the danger of actual flight. The only aircraft of this type produced was by the Breese Aircraft Corporation of Farmingdale. In 1917 Breese received a contract for 300 trainers called “Penguins”. The Penguin’s wings were too short and its engine too small to allow it to fly. They were equipped with engines built by Lawrance which was also located in Farmingdale. These “aircraft” were intended to be just as unmanageable as real aircraft, thus they had no brakes or steerable wheels – which made them quite difficult to control. This original is the sole surviving example.
go to www.cradleofaviation.org/exhibits/ww1/penguin/index.html
the picture (not reproduced above) is a period shot of a line up – looks like a cross between a Bleriot XI with the undercarraige of a Blackburn Monoplane.
Roger Smith.
By: RPSmith - 10th August 2005 at 17:38
Sorry I can’t help with photos but, according to Michael Blaugher’s “Guide to over 900 Aircraft Museums USA & Canada” The Soplata Collection at Newbury, Ohio is “closing”. I tried to telephone to arrange a visit in November, 2002 but couldn’t get through.
From the same book the Breese Penguin is with The Cradle of Aviation Museum, Gallaway Airport, Long Island, New York – a bit of Googling may bring up a picture.
Roger Smith.
By: Spiteful21 - 9th August 2005 at 22:31
Thanks Mate, much appreciated. ๐
By: Papa Lima - 9th August 2005 at 07:48
This is the one, Spiteful21:
By: BlackWolf3945 - 9th August 2005 at 05:09
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By: Spiteful21 - 9th August 2005 at 04:36
Thanks very much for your efforts. What I was after though was pictures of the actual aircraft in the museums.
Papa Lima, you are correct, that is the aircraft that is in the Museum in Hungary.
Does anyone know any good websites of photos of Museum aircraft? There was one I remember Luftarht something but I can’t remember it’s full address.
Thanks again for your time again.
By: Papa Lima - 9th August 2005 at 02:01
Could this be the Lloyd dating from 1914?
By: Papa Lima - 9th August 2005 at 01:51
Fleetwings BT-12
Same web site:
BT-12 (Model 23) 1939 = Army trainer. 2pClwM; 450hp P&W R-985; span: 40’0″ length: 29’2″ load: 1240# v: 195/175/58 range: 560. First all-stainless steel military airplane. POP: 1 XBT-12 prototype [39-719], 24 BT-12 [42-3684/3707]. [42-3708/3883] assigned, but production cancelled.
By: Papa Lima - 9th August 2005 at 01:47
Douglas XBT2D-1
From the Aerofiles web site:
AD-1 1946 = 1p redesignated from XBT2D-1. 2500hp Wright R-3350; span: 50’0″ length: 39’5″ load: 3407# v: 357/164/83 range: 1425 ceiling: 26,000′. POP: 242, of which 2 were modified as AD-1N and 1 as AD-1W.