CASA 2111 cockpit

Ive been into a Heinkel 111 P2 cockpit in Norway twice and I cant see any particulary differences.I read that some Spanish build Casa 2-111 also had dual control system

LimaN

[QUOTE=Septic]

Was the cockpit interior of the CASA-built versions of the Heinkel 111 the same as the original German aircraft in layout, etc?

Dave, these photos were taken in Spain prior to filming of the BoB, I haven’t as yet directly compared them to a HE 111 cockpit.

Septic.

We have two models from the BoB film in the museum, one Ju87 and He111 the He has been configured back to jumo engines, also have a copy of a incendiaries form the film

Heinkel Here

will take a digi og the 87 if you want to see it
Colin

Colin, thanks for the Casa (He 111) model photo, could you post a shot of the JU 87 when you get a chance. I guess its a JU 87D, as the film aircraft were based on this model, initially to blend in with the RAFM JU 87G

From the size of the He 111, it looks like one of the Foyer models which were made for promoting the film.

Almost all the radio control models were burnt in Malta due to the cost of transporting them back to the UK, in any case these were of a larger scale. I’ve posted a photo of the Casa model at Hawkinge, which I believe was built for dropping purposes when filming terminal dives etc.

Septic.

I also recall there being a slightly(!) battered Heinkel model hanging up in the Blue Max Museum at Booker. IIRC the scale was about 1/8th, which on a Spitfire would be about 55″ or so.

We have two models from the BoB film in the museum, one Ju87 and He111 the He has been configured back to jumo engines, also have a copy of a incendiaries form the film

Heinkel Here

will take a digi og the 87 if you want to see it
Colin

Finally a stock Buchon cockpit from the Battle of Britain film.

Photo credit Chris Pointon.

The info boards at East Kirkby say that it was built as a film prop at Pinewood.

Here is that nose under construction at Pinewood.

Septic.

[QUOTE=Dave Homewood]Was the cockpit interior of the CASA-built versions of the Heinkel 111 the same as the original German aircraft in layout, etc?

Dave, these photos were taken in Spain prior to filming of the BoB, I haven’t as yet directly compared them to a HE 111 cockpit.

Septic.

The info boards at East Kirkby say that it was built as a film prop at Pinewood.

I stand corrected,

cananyone check wrecks and relics? think it was in edition 14 at least. Havent got mine down here im afraid to check.

best regards, steve

For Battle of Britain,

The East Kirby nose section – is this the real thing?

I think so.

For Battle of Britain, the FX team did built a full-scale Heinkel mock-up for the crash sequence in France, so this may well have been used as well (I suspect the cockpit section was detachable).

The East Kirby nose section – is this the real thing?

Ive seen a mock He111 nose that was used for close ups at East Kirkby. Does you know the story with the Heinkel or whatever it is at Duxord, whats its future and history?

I recall seeing an incomplete CASA 2-111 fuselage in store at the RAFM Henlow c.1970 (natural metal finish – some cockpit glazing missing). It was said that this had been used for the cockpit & interior shots for the BoB film. I believe they used back-projection.

Does anyone know what became of it? It was all there from nose to tail if I remember but had no tail feathers.

The Buck House shot is a model (in some scenes you can see the wires coming out of the wingtips of some of the flying scale model He111 and Ju87s?

Charles Boddington acquired some of the models and I remember one Ju87 (about 3 feet long) in the collection of MAPS Coventry C.1970.

Something else slightly on the subject, in the Battle of britain film when the Heinkels are seen over London, the shots from inside the cockpit where you see the docks below – is that real or a mocked up cockpit with bluescreen? Did they take a camera up and really fly over London? And for that matter, did that one that flew over Buckingham Palace and crashes into a railway realy fly over or was it a model and trick photography? I love those London scenes but I don’t know how they authorities would have reacted to having these old planes flying over in 1967/8. Was it ok then?

I’m pretty certain that the shots were “blue screen” at Pinewood.

The problem with doing it “live” would have been less the idea of “old planes” over London (Old? Not really – most of the Casa 211s would have only been about 20 then!), but the bright street lighting of 1960s London, plus the postwar development of office blocks etc.

Not sure about this one, Dave, although Harold Kindsvater’s beautiful Buchon N109W has all-German instrumentation, placards etc. from what I can remember from the AM article.

I imagine your Heinkel cockpit shots were back-projected. (Was blue screen used much in the late 60s? If at all?) Certainly in later aviation films (Piece of Cake for instance) the cockpit shots were done with a rig against a blue screen.

Dark Blue World, however, is a bit different, in that they shot some of the cockpit stuff on a rig mounted on the back of a lorry, especially shots looking up at the pilots.

Not entirely sure about the Heinkel over Buck House shot – imagine it was footage of one overlaid on the other (dunno the technical term for it! :p )