October 31, 2004 at 1:05 pm
Having seen the BoB film yesterday we spilled across the road into the Museum (there’s a surprise!).
It was the first time I had seen the completed rebuild of their Magister. It looks great. I resisted the tempation to climb over the barrier and crawl all over it.
Has it been done to airworthy ‘signed off’ standards? A pity if not. It looks like you could ‘give it a tickle’ swing the prop and fly away.
I am keen to make contact with the people who worked on the aircraft, especially those who rebuilt the undercarriage.
My Maggie is about to be pulled apart for inspection at old Warden and we are again looking at the feasibility of restoring the legs to their original ‘Airdraulic’ specification as opposed to the current rubber- block in compression mod. I have never been happy with it..
I did write some time ago but received no reply.
I also offered in that letter to fly my machine across for a photo opportunity…..
Any help will be appreciated.
HP
By: Ashley - 5th November 2004 at 16:55
😀 😀 😀 😀
By: srpatterson - 5th November 2004 at 16:49
~Adding Mr Hairyplane to the list of visitors to Duxford who must be searched before leaving the site…Mr Patterson of course being top of the list~ :p
Tut tut…and don’t think that if you wear a big baggy parka you’ll be able to get half a Magister past me without me noticing…;)
Too late…Now, how do you start this thing??? 😀
By: Ashley - 5th November 2004 at 16:31
~Adding Mr Hairyplane to the list of visitors to Duxford who must be searched before leaving the site…Mr Patterson of course being top of the list~ :p
Tut tut…and don’t think that if you wear a big baggy parka you’ll be able to get half a Magister past me without me noticing…;)
By: Hairyplane - 5th November 2004 at 16:27
Stop! Stop!
JDK,
Showing me pictures of those legs has made me come over all unnecessary – ooo-er Matron!
Do you think they might notice me with mine under one arm and a big box of spanners in the other??
(Imagine reading this without reading earlier posts!)
Looking forward to talking to the man wot did them ( and seeing if he can be bribed….)
HP
By: JDK - 5th November 2004 at 12:54
OK,
Here’s a few more pics. The ‘deliberate mistake’ is that the a/c wore these G-AFBS markings originally, but those painted on the port side were distincly ‘amateur’ in aplication. In the repaint, after restoration, the letters were applied exactly as they had originally been, though it looks awful!
Cheers
By: Mark V - 5th November 2004 at 10:14
Intruiging display of a civil registration with the military markings. You do not see that very often JDK?
By: Hairyplane - 5th November 2004 at 09:05
MMMmmiles Hawk
Buckets of frozen fish @ 10 paces??!!
We won’t fight over it ‘cos they won’t flog it.
I can only dream of me ( and definately not you…) puttering along in it on a fine Summer evening.
Now my Falcon used to wear skis in Sweden before and after the war so ChillyWi11y definately not a problem with that. I bet those skis are sitting in a shed up there somewhere. Wouldn’t that be fun?
Come to Old Warden in the season and you can have a go in the Magister – a fine consolation for never owning the Hawk.
All the best
HP :p :p
By: Mark V - 5th November 2004 at 00:58
I think there is some misunderstanding here regarding my comments regarding the paint job. What I was stating is the obvious. It has a great paint job inside and out. Like I said in another post here, I’ve not seen this aircraft with my own eyes, let alone inspected it with regard to the quality of work. Therefor I can not possibly give any comment on the restoration.
The aircraft is not restored to airworthy standards, it does have a great paint job and looks good in the museum.
Well we all agree then! Just the the Hmmmm and the ‘smileys’ in your post leading us all astray. Yes it is a pity it will not fly but that is the deal with IWM restorations, no point in fighting it really, just go to Hangar 2 if it gets too depressing 🙂 .
By: JDK - 4th November 2004 at 21:12
Whew Mr G,
I thought you’d spotted the ~deliberate mistake~ 😀
There is one, all we be revealed tomorrow.
Cheers
By: Charlielima5 - 4th November 2004 at 20:57
I agree this looks a lovely restoration job – and it is a rather important example of the type – actually an M.14A Hawk Trainer III and is the oldest surviving Hawk Trainer/Magister in the UK (c/n 539, built in 1937). It ended up with the Skyfame Collection and then moved to the IWM Duxford. Does anyone happen to know when it last flew?
By: galdri - 4th November 2004 at 20:24
I think there is some misunderstanding here regarding my comments regarding the paint job. What I was stating is the obvious. It has a great paint job inside and out. Like I said in another post here, I’ve not seen this aircraft with my own eyes, let alone inspected it with regard to the quality of work. Therefor I can not possibly give any comment on the restoration.
The aircraft is not restored to airworthy standards, it does have a great paint job and looks good in the museum.
By: JDK - 4th November 2004 at 18:51
C’mon Galderi,
What’s the concern? I’d value your thoughts… I’ll also post some more pics tomorrow, with a funny paintscheme pic attached.
Cheers for now!
James
By: galdri - 4th November 2004 at 18:11
Not too impressed up there in the chilly north guys?
Well, I’ve never seen it in the flesh. Judging by the pictures, it DOES have a nice paint job inside and out 😎 :rolleyes: 😎
Anyway, at least it’s on display – unlike the gorgeous Hawk mouldering away in the RAF Museum’s ‘Reserve Collection’. Nutters like me ( and probably nutters like our chums in Iceland..??!!) would be happy to spend 3 times what its worth on restoring it to fly.
Hawk mouldering away is a crime that should carry a very heavy punishment. This Icelandic Nutter would be happy to provide a good home for it 😀
Mind you, the prospect of chillywi11y in an open cockpit machine in Iceland doesn’t exactly excite me so it has to come to me OK!
There are no chillywi11ies here. We dress them up before flight 😀 And the Hawk has to come to ME. We are not going to fight over it, are we? 😀
By: Hairyplane - 4th November 2004 at 17:39
Hummmmm…….
Not too impressed up there in the chilly north guys?
Ok, OK, I am of the opinion that a lot of ‘good bits’ are wasted on a static, especially one that will only be seen from the other side of a barrier.
Can I swap my tired old legs with it? Nobody would know…
Can I have the Gosport tubes…???
Can I swap my 2 ‘illegible’ P11 compasses?
I doubt it, even though I would actually use them for what they were intended.
Anyway, at least it’s on display – unlike the gorgeous Hawk mouldering away in the RAF Museum’s ‘Reserve Collection’. Nutters like me ( and probably nutters like our chums in Iceland..??!!) would be happy to spend 3 times what its worth on restoring it to fly.
Mind you, the prospect of chillywi11y in an open cockpit machine in Iceland doesn’t exactly excite me so it has to come to me OK!
HP
By: galdri - 4th November 2004 at 17:27
I think it looks lovely – great paint job inside and out too.
Hummmmmm….
:dev2: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
By: Mark V - 4th November 2004 at 17:14
It’s nice, isn’t it!
I think it looks lovely – great paint job inside and out too.
By: Skybolt - 4th November 2004 at 16:40
What a grand job. A real credit to the Duxford craftsmen (and women) – mind you they are the crafty ones…………..!!!!!!!!!!!!! PC as always.
Cheers,
Trapper 69
By: JDK - 4th November 2004 at 11:01
Here’s a few pics of the Maggie (yes, it’s really a Miles Hawk Trainer for the pedants…) taken May 04. The restoration team was led by Andy of DX conservation (no full name for courtisy!) who showed us over the a/c and alowed us access.
No, it’s not airworthy, nor intended to be. It does have stuff like the Gosport tubes and other parts not normally used in flying restorations, and it doesn’t have a lot of the mods that a flyer requires – the idea being it’s a museum artifact with as much ‘original’ kit and fittings as possible.
Help was given from a lot of organisations and individuals, without whom etc…
It’s nice, isn’t it!
By: Skybolt - 3rd November 2004 at 15:29
Well I would like to see it in the CFS scheme. The Tutor looks gorgeous in its new finish and the Maggie would set it off beautifully.
Cheers,
Trapper 69
By: Ashley - 3rd November 2004 at 09:36
Mike J…I was referring to the Magister only, not the other aircraft in the collection…sorry I did not make this clear in my earlier post 🙂