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biplane fighters of 1930 and ww2

moderator, if this thread has been done before please delete this. i am a fan of the late series biplane fighters of the 1930s and ww2. not only did these aesthetically stunning warplanes see combat but they created history by being the last of their type. if anyone has any good photos, stories, information, paintings of them, can they put them on here?

warplanes like:
Gloster Gladiator/Sea Gladiator
Fiat CR42 Falco
Fiat CR32
Grumman FF-3(fat carrier one)
Avia B534
Henshchel Hs-123(dive bomber, ever used as a fighter?)
Aichi series used over China by Japan
and any other classic fighter biplane(Hawker Fury etc).

im really into the story of the Fleet Air Arm Sea Gladiators flying off the frozen Norwegian lakes in WW2 against the Germans. seems unbelievable now, as does the Avia b532 that took on the B-24 Liberators bombing Ploetsi oil refinery in 1943/4. i think they was Bulgarian Avias, can anyone confirm please? did they get anykills? so lets talk biplanes!

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By: STORMBIRD262 - 1st June 2005 at 18:30

old, new I look at any ting!!!!

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By: STORMBIRD262 - 30th November 2004 at 14:59

With all this about Biplane’s.

Just thought I might bring this one back up for those who missed it 😎 ,
think Setter(john was in the air :rolleyes: ), Cheer’s all 😀 , :dev2: Tally Ho!Phil :diablo: .

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By: Papa Lima - 4th November 2004 at 10:25

Thanks, Distiller, for pointing to a Swedish site I had not seen before.

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By: Distiller - 4th November 2004 at 10:19

http://www.dalnet.se/~surfcity/

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By: Papa Lima - 4th November 2004 at 09:20

Fat Grummans

I also like the fat Grummans, so here are a couple more, from page 19 of “Grumman Guidebook – American Aircraft Series Book 4 Volume 1” by Mitch Mayborn et al.

(Who’s al? 😀 )

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By: turbo_NZ - 4th November 2004 at 07:32

I must say I am a huge fan of the Grumman Biplanes in particular the F3F that Stormbird posted.

Their fat appearance gives them a real character over the “slimmer” Gladiators and Hawker series.

Just my opinion mind you 😉

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By: STORMBIRD262 - 4th November 2004 at 02:17

I do like helping people find what thet want.

Glad you liked it Goth 😀 , I have spent quiet a few hour’s at the site and probably will spend some more :rolleyes: .
Fantastic pics and info 😮 , the guy who has done it has done a great job of it 😉 , Cheer’s all, :dev2: Tally Ho! Phil.

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By: Arabella-Cox - 3rd November 2004 at 16:15

great stuff. the yankees in the libs must have had kittens when they saw some biplanes coming after them, lol!

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By: STORMBIRD262 - 3rd November 2004 at 15:37

P.S I just tried the link and it works, Enjoy, Tally Ho! Phil.

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By: STORMBIRD262 - 3rd November 2004 at 15:31

No worries Goth, I got bored and saw you didn’t have many replies

Ok, Here’s a bit 😀 .
Bulgarian Air Force.
In the Summer of 1939 they bought 78 B-534s(4th version) from Wirschafts gruppe Luftfahrtindustrie in Berlin.
Avias versus B-24s.
1st August 1943.
Avias made two good attacks, even though there speed was little more than the B-24s.
Hard work for the pilots of the Avias, Many successful hit’s but small calibre gun’s could not do much against the well-armoured bombers so none claimed destroyed, and a number of Avias were destroyed on landing.
I still have to work out how to put link’s here, But try this www.dalnet.se/~surfcity/avia_bulgaria.htm or type Hakans aviation page in to Google or like search engine, Its has just about everything about Biplanes and their pilots from the 30s to 1945. Cheer’s all, :dev2: Tally Ho! Phil.(must crash now, ” Gut Nacht ” 😉 )

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By: Arabella-Cox - 3rd November 2004 at 09:58

hi Stormbird262 well aret those just stunning photos? made my day, really did indeed! i take it the pic of the Ju52 is one brought down by the Avia? i read that Avias took on Liberators once, would love to know more on that but the idea of biplanes taking on monoplanes that we know much better is very interesting indeed, good history. well i like the Jap floatplane pics, not seen pics before so very good :). the thing i love about biplane fighters is the history, looks and pictures… great stuff 🙂

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By: Alex Crawford - 2nd November 2004 at 19:54

Hi,

Couple more photos for your pleasure.

First is that one Major Chin Sui-tin (Arthur ‘Art’ Chin) Chinas top scoring Gladiator pilot credited with 6 kills. He scored another 2 on the Curtis Hawk II.

Second photo is a rare view of a Chinese Gladiator. This machine aircraft number 9 from the 29th Fighter Squadron was flown by John Pan0Yang Wong on 16 June 1938 when he shot down one G3M2 and shared in the destruction of three more.

In all there were two Chinese Gladiator Aces plus a number of other pilots with Gladiator claims. The majority of the Chinese biplane claims were made on the Curtis Hawk II/III, although other claims were made by pilots flying Fiart CR32, I-15bis and I-152.

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By: Papa Lima - 2nd November 2004 at 18:46

#9 the Gnatsnapper photo . . .

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By: Finny - 2nd November 2004 at 18:37

In the Finnsih AF at least the following victories were scored with biplanes:
W/O Oiva Tuominen 6 1/2 with Gladiator (2 I-16, 3 1/2 SB-2, 1 R-5) out of a total of 44 kills.
Lt Olavi Puro 2 with I-153 (1 I-153, 1 Pe-2) out of 36 total.
Capt Paavo Berg 5 with Gladiator (2 I-153, 3 SB-2) out of 9 1/2 total.
w/O Valio Porvari 1 with Bristol Bulldog (!!) (I-16) and 2 with Gladiator (1 DB-3 and 1 I-16) out of 7 1/2 total.
W/O Lauri Lautamäki 1 1/2 with Gladiator (1/2 SB-2 and 1 I-16) out of 5 1/2 total.
These are confirmed kills by Finnish aces (with 5 or more total victories), there may be other biplane victories by pilots with a total of less than 5 kills.
BTW, in the photo above of the Finnish I-153 with number 5 on rudder stands Senior Sgt Matti Durchmann, who scored a total of 6 kills, all with Bf-109.

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By: adrian_gray - 2nd November 2004 at 17:20

I’ll name that coastline in one!

Something like this, perhaps – 25 Sqn over the north Kent coast, Sqn Ldr H H Down leading his fighters in echelon in 1937.
A Charles Sims photo from page 70 of his book “Camera in the Sky”- MOTF’s grandfather perhaps?

If you ever spot a copy of this book, it’s a fascinating evocation of the snapper’s job before they stopped doing silly things like flying Gloster Gnatsnappers at your head… (you think that photo looks scary? Just think how scary it could be if actually CS had a waist-level viewfinder in his camera!)

Anyway, back to my point… Swalecliffe (under starboard wing) and Tankerton are just visible underneath the lead Fury, with Herne Bay in the background. I had student digs in Hernia Bay, and amongst others met an old boy who had fished “Elmer” Gaunce out of the sea during the BoB – then had to go to see him in hospital the next day and return the shirt collar they’d removed to give him the kiss of life! He also remembers seeing Esmonde’s ten Swordfish staging into Manston prior to their doomed attack on the Scharnhorst and Gniesenau. Oh, and a Home Guard anti-aircraft rocket launcher filling the cockpit of a mis-identified Typhoon with a very nasty smell!

I’ll bog off and let the thread continue in the right direction now – just to say that I love the pics – if only there’d been any flyboys in my family who had any photos!

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By: STORMBIRD262 - 2nd November 2004 at 16:41

Last lot

Tally Ho! Phil 😉

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By: STORMBIRD262 - 2nd November 2004 at 16:28

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Incoming, More Biplanes, Tally Ho! Phil. :diablo:

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By: STORMBIRD262 - 2nd November 2004 at 16:15

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Incoming Tally Ho! Phil. :diablo:

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By: STORMBIRD262 - 2nd November 2004 at 15:55

G’day Junygoth from downunder

Here’s a heap of photos for you and all to enjoy 😀 .
Most come from Axls Plane Gallery, and around the Net.
Last official Biplane victory I can find was by Master Sergeant Frantisek Cyprich during the Slovak National uprising, Flying Avia B-534.217 on the 2 September 1944, Shooting down a JU-52 which crash landed at Banska Bystrica.
I am not sure how to put a link here but if you type in Hakans aviation page in to Google you will find a heap on Biplanes from WW.2.
Cheer’s all, Tally Ho! :dev2: Phil.(pics all have names).

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By: Papa Lima - 31st October 2004 at 20:28

25 Sqn in 1937

Something like this, perhaps – 25 Sqn over the north Kent coast, Sqn Ldr H H Down leading his fighters in echelon in 1937.
A Charles Sims photo from page 70 of his book “Camera in the Sky”- MOTF’s grandfather perhaps?

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