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Hawker Sea Fury.

Hi all
I’ve recently seen an advertisement from a company called Bradair.
It appears that Bradair are handling the sale of Hawker Sea Fury FB11 currently owned by Mr John Bradshaw.

The advert goes into some detail about the aircraft and it’s condition, which seems to be very good.
I certainly think that it’s an attractive machine.
However one part puzzles me somewhat and that’s the description of the engine.
I’ve shown that section below,

“ENGINE The Bristol Centaurus Mk. 18 has recorded 255hr since new. It has been extensively checked over by us, and found to be in fine condition. A new ignition harness has been fitted, along with a new low voltage booster coil, to give good starting qualities. A new Hobson injector unit was fitted, and carefully set up in accordance with manufacturer’s specification. Exceptionally, we also fitted new rubber engine mounts in collaboration with RR Bristol, thus eliminating engine sag normally associated with the original installation. Oil consumption has proved in service to be well within new limits, and the engine has performed faultlessly during subsequent flying.”

Does this mean that the engine is the original engine fitted to the airframe and the engine has not be rebuilt since new or has the machine been fitted with a new Centaurus at some point? If this is the original engine it must be some sort of record that it’s not been rebuilt in about 50 years. Note, it says since new and not since rebuild.
I’m intrigued because I believed this aircraft had it’s original engine still.
Would anyone on the forum linked to Sea Fury aircraft either here, in Australia or the States care to comment?
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By: Alex Crawford - 23rd October 2004 at 15:04

Hi,

It’s not relevant to the main topic but what colour were the wheel bays in a Sea Fury?

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By: Steve 964 - 23rd October 2004 at 14:49

John Bradshaw’s Iraqi Fury

According to the feature on this aircraft in my Warbirds Worldwide journal this Fury was one of the 28 examples recovered by Jurist and Tallichet from Iraq
in 1979.
It was being rebuilt at the Coleman Museum in Texas and had just commenced ground running when John first inspected the aircraft.
The airframe had been in external storage with the Iraqi’s,and had recorded 690 hours, but the engine had been in internal storage and was a fully inhibited example that had apparently recorded 195 hours previously.
The Coleman Museum removed the cylinder heads to find the internals in excellent condition.
It does not say if this is the current engine fitted but I am sure that it is being looked after very closely,although with recent Centaurus problems I think I would be keeping a very close eye on it.It may well perform perfectly for years,after all I don’t remember TF956 having to many problems although spares were probably more accessible and of course the engines were that much younger back then.
Still on Centaurus engines ,I was recently told that the late Paul Morgan was using technology on his aircraft from his formula1 buisness and the aircraft was performing significantly better as a result although this is only what i heard.
Hope this is of interest on this thread,

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By: Nermal - 23rd October 2004 at 14:41

According to the feature on this aircraft in my Warbirds Worldwide journal this Fury was one of the 28 examples recovered by Jurist and Tallichet from Iraq
in 1979.
It was being rebuilt at the

Has he been abducted? 😮 – Nermal

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By: Steve 964 - 23rd October 2004 at 14:33

John Bradshaw’s Iraqi Fury

According to the feature on this aircraft in my Warbirds Worldwide journal this Fury was one of the 28 examples recovered by Jurist and Tallichet from Iraq
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It was being rebuilt at the

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By: Mustang Fan - 22nd October 2004 at 10:16

Unless someone could prove to me that this engine was stored correctly in a hermetically sealed container until very recently I would consider it nothing more than a core. Frankly, I’m surprised John Bradshaw would want the liability of selling this as a “like new” engine, which is how I read his advert.

Steve, maybe it does not give the full picture, particularly the phrase “it has been extensively checked over by us”. This engine is in an a/c that is flown from time to time (it was at Legends this year, static) and certainly ground run very regularly. It is a working engine.

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By: duvec - 22nd October 2004 at 08:04

Iraqi Furies

Folks,

If I recall correctly the Iraqi Furies were either new build or rebuids of surplus Sea Furys. Some had hydraulic folding wings and the majority wings that folded manually. Thus all could be folded, just the means varied. The manual fold was a major undertaking with lots of people and ropes and this seems to have been considered not worth the effort unless long term storage and a limit to space conspired to make it worth doing.

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By: setter - 22nd October 2004 at 04:02

Hi

Having folding wings doesn’t rule an aircraft out of coming from Iraq as some of the machines sent there were remanufactured from Sea Fury’s and two that came to Aus definately had folding wings already.

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By: Snapper - 22nd October 2004 at 00:16

The Iraqi’s are furious at the moment.

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By: srpatterson - 21st October 2004 at 22:42

It also has a tail hook, which I don’t think any of the ISS Furies had.

I suppose this was done during the restoration in Texas. The wing fold in mine is from a Mk. 20, and Nelson Ezell built a custom system for the plane that Joe Thibideau has now.

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By: stringbag - 21st October 2004 at 22:05

Being an ex-Iraqi Fury, I always thought it curious why it has folding wings!
Was this a modification that was carried out during it’s time in the USA?

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By: srpatterson - 21st October 2004 at 20:27

You will get a lot for your money and its got a well loved Centaurus as well,not many left flying now with 5 blades up front. 😉

So, has the engine really never been apart since new? I find it incredible that this Centaurus has not ever had an overhaul, regardless of the number of hours of operation. In fact, having so few hours is an indication that it has probably sat at some point for years without running. Without doing an overhaul and looking at the power section you have no idea what condition the bearings are in (which is where it will probably fail).

Unless someone could prove to me that this engine was stored correctly in a hermetically sealed container until very recently I would consider it nothing more than a core. Frankly, I’m surprised John Bradshaw would want the liability of selling this as a “like new” engine, which is how I read his advert.

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By: srpatterson - 21st October 2004 at 20:13

I understand that a 2 place T. Mk. 20 Sea Fury, with Centaurus still attached, is for sale in Ione, CA. Engine needs an overhaul, though.

You could really learn to fly in that one, Jones. You could knock out primary training, tail wheel transition, high performance, warbird checkout and aerobatic training in one pass!

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By: Andy in Beds - 21st October 2004 at 18:41

As long as the drugs are working that is 🙂

They make see pretty colours too–perhaps that’s why I like The Red Bull Sea Vixen–Oh sorry wrong thread! 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀

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By: Manonthefence - 21st October 2004 at 18:28

As long as the drugs are working that is 🙂

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By: Andy in Beds - 21st October 2004 at 17:58

A serene frame of mind? Here?

Why?

James
I always come to this forum in a serene frame of mind.
After all, anyone who knows me will tell you that’s my natural state.
🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂

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By: JDK - 21st October 2004 at 17:54

A serene frame of mind? Here?

Why?

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By: Andy in Beds - 21st October 2004 at 17:37

Excellent. You buy it Jones, and Melv can teach you how to fly in the Rearwin.

A bit tetchy this morning?
Fall out of bed on the wrong side, did we?
Go and drink some Red Bull and come back in a more serene frame of mind.

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By: srpatterson - 21st October 2004 at 17:24

Excellent. You buy it Jones, and Melv can teach you how to fly in the Rearwin.

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By: DROPTANK - 21st October 2004 at 17:05

You will get a lot for your money and its got a well loved Centaurus as well,not many left flying now with 5 blades up front. 😉

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By: Andy in Beds - 21st October 2004 at 16:07

I believe you will find the price less than you think. 😀

Droptank
you mean it’s negotiable?

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