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British vs American Light a/c Piston engines

Apologies if this is in the wrong forum (should it be GA?). Something has always puzzled me (not difficult, I hear you cry!). Why, generally (but not exclusively) do British piston engines such as the Gypsy Major, Cirrus family etc turn anti-clockwise when viewed from the rear, but American egines such as Lycomings and Continentals turn clockwise when viewed from the rear? Boring question, I know but I ‘ve never known why. I’m sure that must be a reason………? :confused:

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By: dhfan - 13th August 2004 at 16:11

No probs

I can’t think of a Merlin or Griffon ‘Pusher’ installation, but perhaps…

Mark

I can’t either. I would suspect it would entail a complete re-design of the reduction gearbox as all the thrust bearing faces would be in the wrong place.
I’m sure that’s right, so even if somebody wanted to use one in a pusher installation, they couldn’t even build, or more to the point, test a prototype before a re-design.
R-R were a little busy around that time. 🙂

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By: JDK - 13th August 2004 at 14:47

Not the twelfth Roman Marcus, or the twelfth pre ’48 RAF aircraft called Mark, then?

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By: Mark12 - 13th August 2004 at 14:27

after all they preferred Roman numerals to Arabic for Mark numbers, may I remind you, ‘Mark XII’?

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I was the twelfth ‘Mark’ to join this forum – I swear it. 😉

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By: JDK - 13th August 2004 at 14:11

Just because ‘tractor’ and ‘pusher’ had more to do with W.W.I a/c than W.W.II wouldn’t stop the Air Min requiring the terms; after all they preferred Roman numerals to Arabic for Mark numbers, may I remind you, ‘Mark XII’? (The Romans, famous for not flying aircraft…)

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By: Mark12 - 13th August 2004 at 13:54

Apologies.

dhfan.

Having looked up the definition of ‘Tractor’ in my precise Oxford: 😮

‘Aeroplane with engine in front (opp. pusher)’

I had been labouring under a misunderstanding for all these years.

Retreats, head bowed.

So Left hand or Right hand for rotation in Rolls Royce nomenclature.

I can’t think of a Merlin or Griffon ‘Pusher’ installation, but perhaps…

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By: dhfan - 13th August 2004 at 13:20

Merlin – Right Hand.

Griffon – Left Hand.

Your call.

Mark

?
You said tractor.

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By: DazDaMan - 13th August 2004 at 12:42

A little off topic

Reading in the latest “Pilot” magazine about the Stewart S51 Mustang – fitted with a V8 Chevy engine, which would turn counter-clockwise in unmodified form (as seen from the cockpit), but fitted with a gearbox (I think that’s what it is; don’t have the mag to hand) it rotates the propeller the correct way (clockwise from the cockpit)….

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By: Mark12 - 13th August 2004 at 12:05

On the other hand…

Surely that means as opposed to pusher?

Merlin – Right Hand.

Griffon – Left Hand.

Your call.

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By: dhfan - 13th August 2004 at 11:47

Surely that means as opposed to pusher?

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By: Mark12 - 13th August 2004 at 08:50

Or even…

That’s the first I’ve heard the term “anti-clockwise”. I thought counter-clockwise was the operative term. 😀

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By: Rob Mears - 12th August 2004 at 23:42

That’s the first I’ve heard the term “anti-clockwise”. I thought counter-clockwise was the operative term. 😀

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By: JDK - 12th August 2004 at 16:23

Don’t worry AF. The RAF Museum can’t get it right either. Caption to the Moth in Milestones is as risable as the rest of their captions in the gallery.

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By: Auster Fan - 12th August 2004 at 16:21

Please “Gipsy Major”, Gypsies live in caravans.

On my God! How could I be so stupid and ignorant? Grovelling apologies Steve. I’ll go and lie down in a darkened room and flagellate myself with a copy of Charlize Theron (or an early model Susannah York……)!! 😀 😀

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By: Steve Bond - 12th August 2004 at 14:45

Please “Gipsy Major”, Gypsies live in caravans.

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By: dhfan - 12th August 2004 at 14:25

There was an extremely long thread about this, last year IIRC. It was aimed more at the larger engines rather than the light aircraft engines and no firm conclusion was ever reached.
The UK, and international, standard is for a car engine crankshaft to rotate clockwise when viewed from the front. British light aircraft, radials and Merlins rotate the same way. Note this is crankshaft rotation, not necessarily propellor rotation.

Something has just dawned on me, which didn’t during the last thread. If we start with a car engine, the power take-off comes from the back of the engine, not the front. Turn it round and put a prop where the flywheel was and it will rotate anti-clockwise.
I think I’ll go and lie down for a while.

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By: Learning_Slowly - 12th August 2004 at 11:55

I believe it was just original specification. The Merlin went the opposite way to most f I remember to interchange between US and UK types. As ever I stand to be corrected.

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By: mark_pilkington - 12th August 2004 at 10:46

…..why is it so??

and when that one is answered…….. I would like to know “why” the water spirals down the plug hole clockwise in one hemisphere and anti-clockwise in the other?

(ponders? “maybe it the same cause for both piston engines and plug holes”) :confused:

…..sorry I couldnt resist :p

Mark Pilkington :rolleyes:

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