June 26, 2004 at 4:38 pm
Hello there!
I´m searching for pictures/ reports/ websites/ ANYTHING about the BOAC Mosquitoes flying from Scotland to Sweden during WWII. (The only photo I know I found in “Mosquito / Typhoon / Tempest at war”.) Also I look out for any hints of ex-Danish Fw 200 Condor OY-DAM during its time in the UK as G-AGAY/DX177. Both aircraft will be rebuilt in 1/72 scale, but I´d like to have some background informations (or at least a camouflage scheme of G-AGAY).
Thanks says
…chris
By: Papa Lima - 4th July 2004 at 21:52
There are several different aircraft shown with these markings on this web site:
http://airlines.afriqonline.com/airlines/560.htm
Perhaps you can download the photos and measure them to see if they have the same heights, although they at first sight seem to be of different sizes.
By: ...starfire - 4th July 2004 at 21:08
Height of Condor-markings?
Okay, here we go again!
Does anyone know the height of the G-AGAY-codes on the wings and fuselage? Maybe from other planes in civil service with similar 4-engine-configuration, like a Lancaster or a York. I guess somtehing like that must have been regulated by some kind of order (?).
Please, please help me!
By: Papa Lima - 27th June 2004 at 13:09
“Multirole fighter of WW2.
Mainly wooden, the DH98 Mosquito was a forerunner of the multi-role aircraft. This twin-engined aeroplane of WW2 came to be used in the fighter, ground attack and reconnaissance roles (JAS = jakt/anfall/spaning), as well as for training, target towing, etc. Equipped with the famous RR 1600 hp Merlin engine it had a top speed of 600 km/h. The Wooden Wonder also served in the RSwAF as the J 30 in 1 Group at Västerås as a radar-equipped night fighter from 1948 to 1954.
(Caption) BOAC Mosquito “Courier” flew between Scotland and Sweden during WW2″
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By: ...starfire - 27th June 2004 at 12:05
This is a postcard I bought some years ago in Essen at the Techno Classica from a Swedish (at least I guess so) parts dealer. Papa Lima, can you translate it? I´m sorry, the resolution (?) isn´t so good, because of the size is limited to 100kb…
By: Dan Johnson - 27th June 2004 at 06:29
@von Perthes: I know this picture in small size from the (German) magazine “Aircraft”, but hey!, this is far better! I can finally see lines of the camouflage scheme! I have thougt of completing the scheme by using a green/grey/sky? Lancaster-pattern if I don´t get any more pictures.
It is reported the aircraft crashed in flight (fluggeraet.de), another scource said, the arcraft was written off after an German air raid (luftwaffen-experten.co.uk, I believe), however, my first thougt was, they could have been running out of spare parts. I think the landing-accident-version to be correct, now.Question: Does “SoC” stand for “struck off carge”? That means the aircraft was deleted from the RAF inventory?
@Dan Johnson: Yes, indeed. Are the books of these series still availabe? (Hurricane?) My book is dated from 1993.
A short remark about the crews: A Norwegian website stated (?) the crews were from Norway, but had been issued British passports. Well, the names of the unlucky crew don´t sound that way. The Hasegawa-Mosquito features this markings, but did not report anything about the fate of the plane(s).Now I have to try to get that Aeroplane issue – in Germany 🙁
Thanks for answering!
My suggestion on the books is to go to:
and do a search for a used copy. I’ve found just about any old book I’ve wanted via that site.
Gann’s book mentions a number of pilots.
He mentions BOAC Captain John Henry White who in January of 44 flew from Stockholm to Scotland, then back to Stockholm and again back to Scotland for a total of 9 hours, 36 minutes flying time with only 45 minutes on the ground, making three crossings through enemy skies, all at night and all by hand flying on instruments.
He also details a flight by F/O Gilbert Rae in a Mark VI who with his Radio Op named Payne, was flying a passenger in the bomb bay. They were jumped by FW 190s and he is able to outrun them and escape to Scotland. There is comment about the lack of exhaust shrouds gives him extra MPH that probably saved him.
Since they are Civillians Rae and Payne are awared MBEs instead of DFCs.
Hope that helps
Dan
By: von Perthes - 26th June 2004 at 23:07
Yes, ‘SoC’ means ‘Struck off charge’ no longer on RAF inventory.
Geoff.
By: Ray Jade - 26th June 2004 at 21:10
Both sides used ‘civil’ aircraft for war related purposes and both sides considered them fair game. The British possibly started it by attacking (and capturing) He59 D-ASUO on 9th July 1940. Although nominally civil, it had a military crew of was on air-sea resuce work. There was another thread here recently on the Mossie ball bearing runs to Sweden, iirc.
Neutral countries’ (not always as neutral as them might be) aircraft were also at risk. Swissair lost several planes in Germany, I believe.
By: Papa Lima - 26th June 2004 at 21:10
No, not neutral, there were attacks on the Mosquitos from time to time. They relied on speed to keep out of trouble.
By: trumper - 26th June 2004 at 20:02
Were these flights neutral or were they open to attack by the Axis sides,if so how did they keep the aircraft from being confused with a bombing attack. 🙂
By: ...starfire - 26th June 2004 at 19:25
@von Perthes: I know this picture in small size from the (German) magazine “Aircraft”, but hey!, this is far better! I can finally see lines of the camouflage scheme! I have thougt of completing the scheme by using a green/grey/sky? Lancaster-pattern if I don´t get any more pictures.
It is reported the aircraft crashed in flight (fluggeraet.de), another scource said, the arcraft was written off after an German air raid (luftwaffen-experten.co.uk, I believe), however, my first thougt was, they could have been running out of spare parts. I think the landing-accident-version to be correct, now.
Question: Does “SoC” stand for “struck off carge”? That means the aircraft was deleted from the RAF inventory?
@Dan Johnson: Yes, indeed. Are the books of these series still availabe? (Hurricane?) My book is dated from 1993.
A short remark about the crews: A Norwegian website stated (?) the crews were from Norway, but had been issued British passports. Well, the names of the unlucky crew don´t sound that way. The Hasegawa-Mosquito features this markings, but did not report anything about the fate of the plane(s).
Now I have to try to get that Aeroplane issue – in Germany 🙁
Thanks for answering!
By: Papa Lima - 26th June 2004 at 19:22
The March 2004 issue of Aeroplane Monthly contains an illustrated article on the BOAC Mosquito runs to and from Sweden.
By: Dan Johnson - 26th June 2004 at 18:50
And I assume this is the photo you found in Mossie at War?
Dan
By: Dan Johnson - 26th June 2004 at 18:43
There is a small chapter in the book “Earnest K. Gann’s Flying Circus” called -The Ball Bearing Airline, that talks about those Mossie flights. And as part of each chapter there is a color painting of the aircraft included.
This is the Mossie print. Sorry about the middle. It covers two pages.
Dan
By: von Perthes - 26th June 2004 at 17:25
starfire,
The photo, from ‘War Prizes by Phil Butler (Midland Counties), comes originaly from the Public Record Office document (title unknown) with the piece No AIR40/124. Don’t know if there are other photos of G-AGAY/DX177 in there.
Geoff.