Duxford Sunday 16 May

Once again, another thread where a small number of ‘Holier-than-thou’ contributers seem to have their heads firmly stuck so far up their back-sides, it makes me wonder wether this is a natural talent, or, if you have to get up really early in the morning and practice????

Just let it go..

Life is sweet, but all too short so don’t just live the length of it, live the width of it too and let others do the same.

moderation time methinks

May I suggest this topic is ‘parked’ now?

All the discussion seems to have been had, and I don’t want to see any freindly fire casualties from teddies, ta.

Cheers

Quote:

“If you are a pilot and you condone dangerous flying ,well you ought to hang your head in shame.”

If by this you mean to suggest the Flying on 16th of May was dangerous I think you ought to consult your solicitor. TFC has already explained the proffessionalism with which te flying was done and in a polite way. I’ll informed posting as above is really quite a menace, where are those moderators.

At what point did i mention any names or planes, a dangerous manouvre is a dangerous manouvre.If you read my previous posting correctly you would see that.
I was also answering a post made by someone [Bertie] that seemed to state that unless you are fortunate enough,rich enough to fly /own or operate a warbird then you are not allowed a point of view.
I will not be told what i can post and when, as long as i don’t insult ,defame or tell blatent lies then i am entitled to an opinion the same as you.
Why do you cry off to moderators,that is called censorship,you have your opinion ,others have theirs,
I can’t have a pint today ,got to work so i will raise a virtual glass to everyone and say “cheers” 🙂

nil carborundum – don’t let the buggers gring you down

Steve, keep bothering, your opinions are worth listening to.

Rob

Steve,

“Don’t let the Buggers get you down”! 😉

Cheers

Paul

Trumper and Steve Young:

What is your Dispaly Authorisation No…??
Do you have a PPL?
Flown any displays recently?
Pulled more than 1.5g in anything?

If not, stop postulating. It’s a very long route to be displaying these aircraft, believe me. Once you have done it – THEN come back and tell us all how it should be done!

Get a grip.

If you’d actually bothered to read my comments you’d have seen…

“I’m quite amazed at some of the comments I’m reading – not necessarily from TFC, but from some of us – where the consensus appears to be that the exit from a loop was very low, heart in mouth stuff, but “it’s obvious Mr Grey was enjoying himself”.

Yet on another thread, we’re criticising a Yak pilot at a Canadian (?) airshow for getting far too low and coming within feet of being another statistic.

Come on folks, let’s be consistent eh? Don’t forget that when aeroplanes and mother earth come into unintended contact, mother earth will seldom come second, regardless of who the pilot is.

To be fair to TFC, they’ve issued a statement above saying that Mr Grey doesn’t intend to scare anyone and apologises if he did. That’s fair enough, and I applaud them for making the statement. And yes, before anyone else points it out, Mr Grey owns the aeroplanes, he can do whatever he want with them (CAA legislation permitting of course), and yes, he has a hell of a lot more hours than I do, therefore knows far more about display flying than I ever will.”

Two things from there that I want to point out to you, seeing as you’ve chosen to ignore them.

1 – I was concerned about the apparent difference in opinions from some people on here when talking about a) the Yak pilot and b) Stephen Grey, which prompted me to ask for a bit of consistency in our viewpoints.

2 – I’ve clearly pointed out the vast difference between my experience, and that of Stephen Grey.

Evidently it’s becoming a crime around here to express a personal opinion. Sometime I wonder why I ever bloody bother.

Digby / Robbo – Sorry guys, but Berties comments really pi$$ed me off. I’ll say no more on the matter.

Dear oh dear it is not even the airshow season yet, can’t you lot like some people have said put this subject to bed and go and collect some fin numbers or something

We should help find Mr Grey some 115/145 purple fuel so he can do a display at 2750rpm and 25lb boost. 2300 hp should get the cobwebs out and give us all a thrill. The sound would be awsome. Perhaps we should get one of the Reno racers over with their 3200rpm Griffons untold boost and 4000hp. 😀 😀 😀

and add all the commas I missed as you read the above post!

In order to educate people do you not have to explain why their views are misguided?

This is a valuable forum because it allows those who are informed to speak directly to those who only see from the outside. I find this forum a fascinating way to increase my limited knowledge.

If those who have incorrect and inaccurate opinions are not engaged those opinions will grow outside the inner circle of experts. Unfortunately it is currently a fact of life that the sensational attracts publicity more than the normal so it is vital that the sensationalists are engaged to explain to them the error of their ways.

It is also important that free speech is maintained to avoid the aircraft community getting closed off from the world around.

At airshows what, to an expert appears to be a well executed and low manouevre, may, to an uninformed member of the public, appear to be dangerous. It is not the experts and informed that will regulate airshows out of existance but the apathy from the public if any such legislation is proposed.

I have seen many displays that have been thrilling to me but I also know that people with me have seen as dangerous and frightening – we all see things differently and we all have our own opinions however they may be formed.

Long may this forum allow people to express such opinions and have them discussed otherwise the forum becomes just another way of passing on agreed facts.

I didn’t want the thread culled, I just wanted the voice of moderation to say “cool it guys, this isn’t a good thread”, To me that would be the point of a “moderator”

I am not moderate and felt that the subtlety of the restraining posts in this thread was not being heeded so as with others before me thoght I’d do a bit of a wake up call. Lets leave this thread to sink Now!!

Robbo and others, please read to the end without skipping and think seriously …..

I have previously refrained from commenting in this outrageous thread because it is ill informed critiscism of a number of professionals by , in the main non-pilots.

When the likes of TFC, Bruce, Bertie and Grayfly post sensible informed information it is largely ignored…..

I have seen possibly more Spitfire displays at Duxford over the last 30 years than the majority of people who post here. I have lived and worked adjacent to Duxford since 1964 until recently moving.

I feel therefore, I can comment when people are writing absolute rubbish and I can do do so with authority.

To use the phrase above as was quoted about a qualified display pilot was very nearly libellous. You cannot be surprised when such tripe is talked that owners of these fantastic aircraft become private and practice out of sight which is not good for any of us.

Compare this thread with some of the fascinating stuff we do have on this forum such as the voyage of Catalina, the photographs you or MotF, or DB post, or Snappers work and you will see why I feel we need to kill this sort of damaging postulation which has no basis in fact and does no credit to the forum. The thread itself is destructive and therefore I cannot be constructive.

Note also that by nature I am not destructive having posted over 20 pictures of warbirds in old colour schemes or of historical significance and links to video files (all be it of appalling quality o f amongst other things “Winstons ” blue note – something that cannot be heard at present from a Meteor in the UK.

Right , its Friday, I’m off for a pint or two of Adnams. Let all who have posted here leave this thread to whither away and let us look at some brilliant pictures taken over the weekend and enjoy why we come to this forum.

AG

ps My BofB DVD hasn’t yet arrived……

Quote:

“If you are a pilot and you condone dangerous flying ,well you ought to hang your head in shame.”

If by this you mean to suggest the Flying on 16th of May was dangerous I think you ought to consult your solicitor. TFC has already explained the proffessionalism with which te flying was done and in a polite way. I’ll informed posting as above is really quite a menace, where are those moderators.

Trumper and Steve Young:

What is your Dispaly Authorisation No…??
Do you have a PPL?
Flown any displays recently?
Pulled more than 1.5g in anything?

If not, stop postulating. It’s a very long route to be displaying these aircraft, believe me. Once you have done it – THEN come back and tell us all how it should be done!

OOOHHHH Must’ve hit a nerve methinks 😉 No you are quite correct with your above statement in my case,but i have seen the Firefly crash,109 Crash,P38 crash,2 x mig 29’s crash,Yak crashland [and some ive held my breathe at and thought”he got away with that” a few times as well],get the picture YET.I am fed up with it.There are manouvres that are unnecessary,ones that put you into conflict with the ground which really isn’t impressive.The days pilots become ABOVE comments and criticism is a BAD day.
I have no problems with low horizontal flying in high energy manouvres going up away from the ground,but why oh why head towards the ground and pull out low ,the big “what if” then comes into it. :rolleyes:
If you are a pilot and you condone dangerous flying ,well you ought to hang your head in shame.

As a regular witness to TFC displays and the two TFC flights on Sunday I feel that judging from the previous posts I was at a different airfield. Apart from the technical issues mentioned, absolutely perfect and safe displays. Any comparison to the YAK incident is totally incorrect.

Twilight Zone

Is it me or has Mizz Greer been getting to people on this forum over the winter. there seem to be an awful lot of ‘experts’ judging Mr Greys flying who weren’t there coming up with the sort of over dramatised tabloid cr@p conclusions. Your just doing the Anti crowd and the presses job for them!

To read some of the replys you would think he was as low as shown in Bradburger’s avatar

I think the comment made about losing sight of the aircraft behind the T2 hanger was in relation to the intial practices carried out to the North of the Airfield before Stephen returned to Duxford, it is unusual to see aircraft practicing so low ( but still at least 200ft up ) in the free airspace to the North. The aircraft was a couple of miles away so it was bound to disappear behind tree’s / hangars etc. My comments about grounding are in relation to the press, the first place alot of them look if they want information on a subject is a forum. If they look here and see us all discussing ( wrongly ) the fact that pilots have been wreckless than you are only giving them ammo.

Who needs the anti avaition lobby when it looks like half the people on here want them all grounded anyway. I was there it was very loud and very fast, thrilling to watch, not anymore dangerous than any other display. If someone was there saw it and is a Spitfire pilot then I would be glad to here you’re comments otherwise stop you’re idle speculation and beefing up of something over nothing – rant over.

No-one here wants them grounded but that doesn’t mean to say that you should load the ammo into the guns for the “anti fly them brigade” to shoot back at us.
Hopefully it WAS loud ,low and fast,but horizontally and not in a vertical – horizontal manouvre.Remember one of the posts on the first page said ” And as you say, one pull out seemed very low – I lost sight of the aircraft behind the T2 “
If you want the argument extended then you could say that a few more near misses and the job of grounding aircraft would be taken out the owners hands.

Who needs the anti avaition lobby when it looks like half the people on here want them all grounded anyway. I was there it was very loud and very fast, thrilling to watch, not anymore dangerous than any other display. If someone was there saw it and is a Spitfire pilot then I would be glad to here you’re comments otherwise stop you’re idle speculation and beefing up of something over nothing – rant over.