April 3, 2004 at 1:22 pm
I am curious where the following aircraft that were all once owned by the Alpine Fighter Collectionin NZ now reside? The NZFPM website is non-committal on some and fails to mention others at all.
There was a Buchon (owned by Sir Tim Wallis in 1980’s, sold when Spitfire XVI came to NZ I believe. I heard he’d intended to re-engine it with a DB601)
Corsair F4U-1 (is it truly in South America?)
P40K (I know **** Thurman bought and restored it, but where in the USA is it now based?)
Yak 3M – sold in 1999 – who to and where?
Avro 504K replica – where did this go? Is it flying?
Grumman Wildcat (owned only for a short time, never came to NZ, sold again to buy Spitfire Mk V)
Spitfire Mk V AR614 – who has this aircraft that was restored in England for the AFC but never came to NZ?
Hayabusa Oscar – where did this go? Is it being made to fly?
Zero Replica?
The other Hurricane projects that went into restoration at the time when Sir Tim Wallis and Tony Ditheridge set up Hawker Restorations to restore the now flying NZ Hurricane? Did any of them get restored other than Sir Tim’s? I think one was a Sea Hurricane.
The BF109F that Sir Tim was reported to have bought. It was ex-Russia and very complete.
I note the website also doesn’t mention his P51D ZK-TAF, or the ME110’s and Stukas as past aircraft.
He also owned a DC3 or C47, and another P51D in kitset form that was ex-RNZAF. Does the AFC still have these? I think the DC3 was bought to provide engines to something else – that’s what I heard anyway.
Imagine the AFC if they still had everything together in one place.
By: michal_los - 9th December 2005 at 20:55
I found on http://www.photoka.info/english.htm
Havacilik Müzesi
from left:
P.24
By: The Blue Max - 9th December 2005 at 19:16
The 3rd one in was especialy for you TT. They are all listed as being with the TAM, anybody got any info on them?
By: RPSmith - 9th December 2005 at 18:25
😀
Roger Smith
By: RPSmith - 9th December 2005 at 18:25
What’s the third one then?
Roger Smith
By: Consul - 9th December 2005 at 17:56
Ben
The 2nd item is a Curtiss-Wright CW-22B Falon . It still survives and is at Havacilik Muzesi, Yesilkoy, Istanbul. The Polish design is a PZL P24G now at the same location.
By: TEXANTOMCAT - 9th December 2005 at 17:27
Ok the one closest looks like one of those Polish thingummyjigs, but whats the second aircraft in? – dont need any help on the third thanks!
TT
By: The Blue Max - 9th December 2005 at 13:37
Just Google’d it and they are indeed listed as being with the Turkish Airforce Museun at Istanbul.
By: The Blue Max - 9th December 2005 at 13:32
Thanks Elwyn, much better. Must get to grips with photoshop one day!!
Gordy, got any links to the Turkish Airforce Museum?
By: Elwyn - 9th December 2005 at 13:25
Is this a bit better?
By: G-ORDY - 9th December 2005 at 12:07
I believe you will find they are all displayed in the Turkish Air Force Museum, Istanbul-Yesilkoy.
By: Peter - 22nd April 2004 at 15:19
it is a shame
Thanks guys.
I asked the question as I had seen a article on their scrapping in a magazine and wondered if anyone had saved the cockpits. It was awful to see.
Cheers.
Great pics too!
By: Firebird - 22nd April 2004 at 10:11
Ahh fading memories…..:)
Somewhere I’ve got a whole film I took of ‘Arnolds Airforce’ at the inaugural gathering of the Lightning Association at the Cranfield Airshow in Sept. 1989. (or it may have been Sept. 1988, anyone remember which…:confused: )
Shame I can’t seem to post photos up to the forum as I’d go and hunt them out.
All six aircraft were lined up next to each other with Adrian Campbell’s Landrover set up at one end as the association stand. Barry Pover, myself and a few others set about pulling the covers, intake blanks, etc., of all of the airframes to make them look better in photos (looked just like the flight line at Binbrook a few years before). I’m certain it was XS899 that was the first in the line next to the stand, and Barry popped the canopy up on this one for the day. I seem to remember a small b/w ‘group’ photo appearing in FP a few months later. I also have a vague memory of Arnold Glass appearing at the stand at some point for a chat, probably in time for the group photo. I well remember Barry giving a ‘technical talk’ to a few of us, underneath XS898, describing the strengthening plates fitted to the wings after she was overstressed pulling high g after a ‘departure from flight’ incident. I remember Barry saying this airframe would be the best candidate of these 3 F.6’s for returning to flight because of the additional airframe life this mod had allowed. Of course ‘923 and ‘898 were the last 2 Lightnings to fly in RAF service when they departed Binbrook for delivery to Cranfield.
Barry and I and someone else then had the fun of climbing all over the damn things again to refit all the covers etc., and seal them all up again after the show finished, not easy with no access ladders, as always there always seem to be fewer people around to help put things away afterwards….:rolleyes:
By: trumper - 22nd April 2004 at 09:20
And another one,i was with a friend and he has the nerve of the devil,if you don’t ask you don’t get and he arranged for us to go over and see the lightnings with an escorting car with orange flashing lightsI’m not sure if these were the photos from then ,hopefully i may find some more as i scan through my slide films at some time in the future.
By: trumper - 22nd April 2004 at 09:16
I took these in 1993,sorry for the quality they were old slides and a bad photographer :rolleyes:
By: DGH - 22nd April 2004 at 08:48
Of the top of my head while at work,
F6’s
XS898 – Scrapped, cockpit to PO Bedfordshire
XS899 – Scrapped, cockpit to PO Coltishall
XS923 – Scrapped, cockpit to PO Welshpool
T5’s
XS452 – Flying, Thunder City – Cape Town
XS458 – Taxiable, PO Cranfield
XV328 – Scrapped, cockpit to PO Bruntingthorpe.
By: Markp451 - 21st April 2004 at 23:43
The two T birds XS452 is now in SA flying
The other is still there we Tony
By: stringbag - 21st April 2004 at 23:16
At least three of the nose sections survive.
One is with Mick Jennings at Coltishall (XS899?), another, a two seater, is at Bruntingthorpe. F.6 XS898(?) cockpit is with a private owner in the Buckinghamshire area.
Not sure on the third F6.
HTH,
M
By: Peter - 21st April 2004 at 23:08
so none knows anything???
n/t
By: DaveM2 - 4th April 2004 at 01:13
Dave
The Emil is now nearing completion at Charlestons for the FHC , Seattle . The Oscar went to them also , along with the Mark V and one I-16
The F you are talking about was imported by Jim Pearce and stored at Ditheridges place until a complicated trade was done and it ended up in the Canadian National Museum.. [BTW the Russians want it back ! ]. Both Me110s are at DTM Berlin along with the most complete Ju87 , the other Ju 87 was sold recently to Glen Lacey for rebuild to fly in the U.K.
Certainly is a tragedy that Sir Tim had his accident and most of the collection has been dispersed over the years ;-(
Dave
By: Dave Homewood - 4th April 2004 at 00:42
Thanks Yak 11, that sets my mind to rest over most of them now. My memory may have been playing tricks over the BF109, it may well have been an E. I’ll have to check that one up one day