Vulcan good news for other projects?

That may be true.

But by working with the CAA from day one, and involving a serious engineering company like Marshalls, it stands a lot more chance than some.

The CAA dont like a fait accompli, which they have been presented with on more than one occasion.

It is my belief that by working with the CAA, the Vulcan team will get the permissions they need.

However, and this is a different subject, I remain to be convinced of the case for an airworthy Vulcan, as I have mentioned on another thread.

Bruce

Sorry to get back on this but BRUCE wrote

“Showing a big company attitude in the case of the Vulcan got the approval required. I dont think anyone has put the case for the Lightning in quite the same way.”

The CAA has never said that the Vulcan will gain premission to fly, it may have said that it will offer support and that they will consider an application. But no decision will be made, indeed it can not be made untill a aircraft is ready to start test flights. There are far to many ifs and maybes with a project of this scale.

DOUGHNUT

I don’t think that we’d see a Lightning either, but for jets like the Buccaneer I think XH558 (provided she does fly again) could be a positive thing.

Regarding the SAA Lightnings, they also make money from offering rides in the Bucc and Lightning althought I’m not sure how much that brings in. They also carry sponsors logos on the Jets.

I’ve always wondered if even if the CAA issued a permit for the Lightning, could any individual/organisation afford the huge bills that would amount to keep one in the air in the UK? even the fuel bills would be horrendous! only I seem to recall that the Thunder City organisation has a contract with the SAAF for some sort of defence issue??? this must bring in a fair bit of their annual budget. Trouble is that I can’t see an afterburning, mach 2 jet bringing in enough funding, especially here in the UK with insurance premiums so high, to carry on operating unless some Paul Allen type gets a fetish for fast jets. Personally I’d love to see one flying in the UK but I can’t really see the HRL supplying funding to get one in the air, anyone else?

Tom.

The HLF’s decision on the Vulcan will have no bearing whatsoever with regards to either a Buccaneer or a Lightning flying on a CAA Permit to Fly.

Question, Is anyone restoring a Lightning to flying condition in this country?
Answer, No.
The reasons behind this are numerous and have been well documented in the past, but with the CAA’s negative attitude towards the Lightning, the chances are that no one will ever restore one back to flight status.

The Buccaneer is a totally different animal all together.
Hawker Hunter Aviation are working along the right tracks with XX885, so lets wait and see what happens.

🙂 I hope for the best but it could have a knock on affect, i doubt the Lottery fund will consider many if any other aviation projects after this one and what would happen if god forbid something went wrong when the Vulcan was in flight that would finish any lottery funding as well.
Sorry just being pessimistic:(

I think this thread quite beautifully demonstrates that a large can of worms has been opened by the HLF’s Vulcan decision!

I cannot imagine the CAA allowing an aircraft in civilian hands that could out run any modern day aircraft,well for 15 mins before it ran out of fuel that is:)

Bucc…maybe,
Lightning….very unlikely,
If memory serves me right….:confused: ….Barry Pover in one of his many submissions to the CAA had statistically shown that after the fire integrety mods had been done, the attrition rate of the Lightning to fire was no higher than any other aircraft in service at the time, or something like that……
Not that the CAA would hear of it…….

A decade ago, I used to play golf with a guy from the relevant CAA department that deals with this stuff, and he reckoned that the CAA would NEVER allow any re-heat equipped aircraft to be operated by ‘civilians’……..

Still, times, they do a change……..:rolleyes:

Should help the Bucc alot and might even help the Lightning.

Not sure how HHA are doing with XX885 but last I heard the chances of it flying were looking very good.

As I see it, the major problem with the Lightning is the fire risk between the 2 engines and the fact that it is a design flaw that allows the fire to spread. They lost a number of single seaters this way but interestingly no 2 seaters.

It would be nice to see (and cheaper than going to Cape Town, but the Wife does want to go on Safari so you never know)

Actually, I could see the Caa allowing the lightning to fly, but only if the proposed operator took the same steps that TVOC have taken with the Vulcan – i.e. getting a design authority (Marshalls) in on it right from the beginning.

The safety record is certainly a problem, but I do think if it is approached correctly, that it can be done. I think the CAA are wary of a small company attitude to operating something that needs such a huge amount of maintenance to keep up to scratch.

Showing a big company attitude in the case of the Vulcan got the approval required. I dont think anyone has put the case for the Lightning in quite the same way.

Bruce

A nice thought

Lightning – No chance

Bucc – The Jury’s still out.

Interesting to not that with the current CAA rules the humble Gnat would not be allowed to fly (had they not already given approval) because of the number of mishaps that were due to aircraft/design malfunction rather than Pilot error. This is the same reasoning behind not letting the Lightning fly. Not sure about the Brick, if it has the Spar Mods carried out then ?????

Don’t be pessimistic chaps, could be a nice surprise coming next year!

Shortly after a sty developes a runway…:rolleyes: – Nermal

Dream on, it aint gona happen.