Twenty Years after HAM – aircraft still at risk

Hello Peter

I cannot speak for the museum on this one.

What I can say is that they have helped many museums and individuals in the past with parts and information.

However and its big however, there has been an unscrupulous few who have abused the trust of the museum. For example not returning parts, which have been loaned ‘as patterns’.

They may be interested in letting you have it; I would say a trade would be more likely. Why do you want it do you have a Lancaster?

joe??

Would Newark ever consider releasing their lancaster canopy escape hatch??

That reminds me, there’s an engine access panel from XR222 at Newark. What’s it doing there and why isn’t it fitted where it belongs?

I understand that this item was offered to Duxford on a couple of occasions, but nobody came to collect it!

To Steve Young,

Shuttleworth’s ‘Box Kite’ a national treasure. What !!!?

Surely this film replica is the least worthy of Old Wardens inmates. I would recomend the Blackburn Monoplane as Shuttleworths most significiant aircraft, ie it is the oldest British aircraft and represents on of the poineers of aviation. Replicas do have there place in musuems but do not try to give them a status which they do not deserve.

DOUGHNUT

ok dhfan, NOT gutted, but ‘substantially incomplete’

🙂

coanda

Coanda, you beat me to it!
Not entirely fair to say Duxford’s TSR2 is gutted, it was never finished. The Cosford one was complete and airworthy when the project was scrapped.
That reminds me, there’s an engine access panel from XR222 at Newark. What’s it doing there and why isn’t it fitted where it belongs?

if we preserve either of the (standing) TSR2’s it should be the cosford one, not the IWM one, which is basically gutted….unless you know of another mostly complete TSR2? 🙂

the cosford one is electrics capable as far as I am aware, and mostly complete excepting engines which are outside of the airframe.

coanda

The Harrier GR.3 in the U.S is XV738 that used to be at Bruntingthorpe. The machines stored at Lowestoft consist of
the former Transavia machine from Shoreham (XZ995) and ZD668
fron Ipswich. The fact that one is on the U.K register shouldn’t be taken as an indication that any form of flying is intended for it in the U.K.
As for anyone flying a GR.3 as a civil machine I seriously doubt that it will happen – it was very difficult for the RAF to get hold of spares for them in the 1990’s -it would be an absolute nightmare in civil hands.

David, I guess your original question refers to aircraft that are already in museums, or likely to be retired soon, and which we’d like to see “listed”?

In that case, I’d put quite a few in that category:

Bristol Boxkite (Shuttleworth)
Vickers Vimy (Science Museum)
Bristol Bulldog (RAFM)
Supermarine Spitfire 1a (X4590, RAFM)
Hawker Hurricane 1 (RAFM)
Avro Lancaster (R5868, RAFM)
De Havilland Mosquito (W4050, MAM)
Hawker Typhoon (RAFM)
Gloster E28/40 (Science Museum)
De Havilland Comet (RAF Lyneham)
Hawker Hunter (Tangmere)
BAC TSR2 (IWM Duxford)
English Electric Lightning (RAFM)
Hawker Siddeley P1127 (RAFM)
BAC Concorde (ex-BA)

That’s a first go at it, but in general I’d say any sole survivor of a type (such as the Typhoon, Bulldog, etc) should be guaranteed a place on the list, and other entries should be considered in term of the type’s significance to, and effect upon, the history of aviation in the United Kingdom.

Hi Damien, Which Harrier GR3 has gone to the USA? The Harrier GR3 on the UK civil register is G-CBCU ex ZD668. The CAA record shows this as being owned by

YVES DUMORTIER
22 PLACE DE LABLIAU
ENGHIEN
7850
BELGIUM

Interestingly this aircraft is one of those currently stored in Lowstoft

DOUGHNUT

Cirrus raises a good point about the Harrier, very few have been made available to museums for presevation Why?
Hendon and Duxford both have GR3’s and Yeovilton has a composite Sea Harrier FRS1. Several Harriers have been sold as scrap and subsequently turned up in private hands but these are mostly lacking their engines and are in very poor condition ie they are not worth saving these would include the Gatwick and Bruntingthorpe GR3’s and the Bruntingthorpe T4. Why have the major collections such as Newark, MAM, East Midlands, NEAM etc not been able to obtain examples. Does anybody know who owns the two GR3 stored with Hannants models at Lowestoft and what is planned for them ?

DOUGHNUT

ps please do not start on about the example which has been allocated a civil reg, it will never fly in private hands so lets not go down that road.

AIRCRAFT TO SAVE

How about the TSR2 and the pinacle of evolution and the death knell for UK aviation that it represents.

A MOSQUITO for definate (the adage of if it looks good definately applies) not forgetting its many roles. My only disappointment is that we do not have an airworthy HORNET

In years to come THE HARRIER as everybody forgets in the wake of the JSF

Well,to begin with,if I had to pick just one aircraft to save at all costs it would probably be the Swift I’ve been going on about recently.I just can’t bear to watch it deteriorate any further!
However,I realise that it’s not THE last Swift in existance,so in wider terms I’d probably go for the Blackburn Beverley at the Museum of Army Transport,or perhaps the Mk1 Victor at Duxford.
Not sure I agree about the Duxford Shackleton.True,I’d love to see her restored,but the Newark example is in remarkable nick, so if one example had to be saved I would choose that one instead.
Then there’s the Comet at Lyneham…

National treasures….

Firstly i would say
the shackleton at Duxford
secondly the swift at that knackers yard
the victor b1 at duxford