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MiG-25 vs F-4 in Iran-Iraq war

I’m looking for details of any aircombat involving MiG-25 and F-4 in the Iran-Iraq war
I have read in a Tom Cooper book that 2 F-4s were lost to MiG-25s and 1 recon version of F-4 and one recon version of foxbat was lost to F-4s
Any further details will be much appreciated

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By: Arabella-Cox - 17th October 2018 at 18:11

The heat-limit is Mach 2,83 and Mach 2,35 the range-speed high up. Going behind that limits briefly is possible, but you are out of order for some time in doing so. All ordinary Mach 2+ fighters run into the heat limit above Mach 1,8 and reach Mach 2,6 very briefly utmost.

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By: St. John - 16th October 2018 at 10:00

Indeed and they warped the HP turbine, which is why they’re normally limited to M2.83.

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By: Levsha - 14th October 2018 at 18:39

The Indians flew one at over M3.0 over Pakistan one time I think.

Yes, I read that once – but normally the IAF flew their MiG-25s at M 2.5 or so. At M 3.0 the MiG would have no combat range at all.

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By: St. John - 14th October 2018 at 16:38

The Indians flew one at over M3.0 over Pakistan one time I think.

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By: GromOzekA - 13th October 2018 at 12:36

When did Iraqi MiG-25s fly at mach 3 in combat? I don’t think they flew at Mach 3 during Desert Storm.

Nobody really knows. I just only saying that MiG-25 is capable to fly way above 3M. In combat situations it’s only marginally slower than SR-71, but much more capable in all other aspects of flight. It’s common mistake that 2.83M is MiG’s max speed (and it was mentioned on previous pages). It’s only a safe limit, and flying above that is nothing suicidal like it’s popular internet belief says.

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By: Levsha - 12th October 2018 at 15:52

2.83M is not a maximum speed for MiG-25. It’s just a safe limit. A speeds above that leads to lack of lateral stability and possibility of structural damage (canopy glass). If needed MiG-25 could flight above 3M even with 4 R-60 missiles.

When did Iraqi MiG-25s fly at mach 3 in combat? I don’t think they flew at Mach 3 during Desert Storm.

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By: GromOzekA - 12th October 2018 at 14:14

2.83M is not a maximum speed for MiG-25. It’s just a safe limit. A speeds above that leads to lack of lateral stability and possibility of structural damage (canopy glass). If needed MiG-25 could flight above 3M even with 4 R-60 missiles.

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By: Mesan - 12th October 2018 at 10:17

Actually it was a Mirage F1EQ (from 91 Sq) that fell over Arak on 15/02/1986

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By: Arabella-Cox - 11th October 2018 at 12:53

It has to be an official iranian picture. So no problem to post it for verification.

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By: Gunfighter93 - 10th October 2018 at 15:00

And what about the iraqui MiG 25 RB wreckages shoot down from an f 14’s launched AIM 54 phoenix near the iranian city of Arak on 15 february 1986?! We have photographic proof of this

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By: Arabella-Cox - 31st May 2018 at 23:51

From French Wiki
Iraqi Air Force – 121 out of 129 aircraft ordered, delivered from January 1981. 8 will remain stranded as a result of the 1990 embargo. In 1991, 24 Mirage F1 flee to Iran to escape the bombing campaign of the coalition. These planes are seized and used by the Iranians as “reparation” for the Iran-Iraq war. The others were destroyed, shot down or reformed.
Gives 33 EQ/BQ lost to all causes till summer 1990.

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By: Mesan - 31st May 2018 at 10:27

I saw that on ACIG , it has to do with the Iraqi Mirages
“The round-up is as follows:
Total orders were for
110 single-seaters
19 two-seaters

Delivered were
105 single-seaters
15 two-seaters

Not delivered:
5 single-seaters, EQ5 4562 build but embargoed, last four EQ6 4662 to 4665, two built, two unfinished
4 BQ 4656 to 4659, two built, two unfinished”

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By: Arabella-Cox - 25th May 2018 at 19:03

The twin seaters are full combat capable and used as such. What happened to the Kuwaiti F-1 not returned?! The claim of 60+ shot down is obvious wrong.
…so it was: 76 EQ + 12BQ + 8 Kuwaiti = 96 total in 1990 by hayder

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