April 4, 2004 at 5:53 pm
Why is it that there are so many countries with seemingly advanced aerospace industries that can’t design their own jet engines? Only USA, Russia, France, and Britain do not depend on others for their jet engines. All other countries do, for example Sweden’s Gripen uses the American GE 404, Italy’s MB-339 uses the British RR Viper, Chinese engines are all licence built Russian designs, etc.
Is this due to lack of technology, or is there another reason? US/USSR/France/Britain have been building jet engines since the 50’s, and I find it difficult to believe that countries with “intermediate” aerospace industries such as Italy or Sweden are less advanced technologically today that the US and France were in the 1950’s.
By: pagen01 - 8th July 2011 at 11:53
Those Ruskies certainly know how to give a good blow job…
Back to Goblins…:D
By: Banupa - 8th July 2011 at 11:45
Those Ruskies certainly know how to give a good blow job… 😮 sorry I meant 😀
By: baloffski - 8th July 2011 at 11:42
Should’ve tried the up rated version – the Ghost Teasmaid!
I always prefered the goblin version as she could have tidied the house up after…..
Indeed the RAF made use of Derwents after their flying time was over – in the form of the well-known MRD Snow Removal vehicles attached to Bowsers.. 😉
If you have a look here you can read my thoughts on the piggin’ things:
By: Flanker_man - 8th July 2011 at 11:38
Ah yes. I remember the snow removal device in use at Northolt.
The Russians are still using them – RR Nenes mounted on trucks for snow clearance….


…. except that they call them RD-45′s.
I’m not sure how interchangeable the parts are from an RD-45 to a Nene – but there seems to be plenty of examples of the whole engine still in Russia.
Ken
By: pagen01 - 8th July 2011 at 08:47
So now we have these chaps with their trailer mounted RR Merlins & Griffons etc….. How long before some silly sod shows up with an Avon on a trailer?
Already being done, I think in the videos section of the forum is a couple of guys running a Spey.
I know there have been Vipers used for this aswel.
By: Sky High - 8th July 2011 at 08:26
Eurojet200 Typhoon engine in the revolutionary Bloodhound SSC – can’t wait to see that perform next year!!:D
By: PeterVerney - 8th July 2011 at 08:18
Chino has a trailer mounted V1 engine that sounds rather nice 🙂
Sounds like an old motorbike on steroids.
Mind you, if you heard the real thing, you would not be saying “nice”
By: Augsburgeagle - 8th July 2011 at 07:15
Check out my mates website for some good ground runners,
I ground run a few turbines and am hoping to have an M701 out of an L29 jet running this year.
By: ZRX61 - 8th July 2011 at 00:13
So now we have these chaps with their trailer mounted RR Merlins & Griffons etc….. How long before some silly sod shows up with an Avon on a trailer? (checks lottery ticket….)
Chino has a trailer mounted V1 engine that sounds rather nice 🙂
By: Banupa - 7th July 2011 at 23:11
Ah yes. I remember the snow removal device in use at Northolt. At the sound of a jet engine, I scoured the airfield for signs of a HS.125 or similar, only to find the motorised jet, with downward pointing exhaust, slowly moving down the runway. So simple! So effective! Just think what they could do at Heathrow with maybe an RB.211 powered version! :diablo:
By: hunterxf382 - 7th July 2011 at 22:26
Indeed the RAF made use of Derwents after their flying time was over – in the form of the well-known MRD Snow Removal vehicles attached to Bowsers.. 😉
By: Arabella-Cox - 7th July 2011 at 22:10
Early jets
Yes, they are very much overlooked and unappreciated, it often being assumed that they gave very little power at all.
In fact the Goblin, flying by the end of the war, was giving in the order of 3000+ lbs of thrust and the Nene up to 5000 – that’s over two tons of push from a very simple, single-disc, double-sided impeller:eek:.
The Meteor had two Derwents giving up to 3500lbs each so giving it a whopping 3-plus tons of thrust.
The early jet engines were extremely simple and quite reliable units and no-doubt, just like everything else, when we’ve hardly got any left everybody will be wanting one. Just like Merlins really:D
Anon.
By: MerlinPete - 7th July 2011 at 20:41
The oldest working jet engine in the world, albeit not in an aircraft anymore. External cans, obviously.
Rolls-Royce Welland, built 1943/44
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0vHNiMJLIQ
Pete
By: pagen01 - 7th July 2011 at 16:56
I always wanted a Goblin Teasmaid but the Mrs put a stop to that!
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Should’ve tried the up rated version – the Ghost Teasmaid!:D
I quite like it when you see the cans on the outside, some types came in both layouts of course, such as the Avon.
By: JT442 - 7th July 2011 at 16:19
Have a look at the Newcastle Aviation Academy Restorations thread… there are some engines in there…. ;)… some have burners on the outside….
By: baloffski - 7th July 2011 at 16:17
I always wanted a Goblin Teasmaid but the Mrs put a stop to that!
Seriously though, as an ex engine basher on all sorts of Gas Turbs, I reckon anything which has burner cans on the outside just says raw power even though they were soon left in the weeds thrustwise.
By: RPSmith - 7th July 2011 at 16:10
Jet engines, some of the most overlooked items in aviation preservation – a wonderful invention the history and development of which is often passed over in favour of more ‘sexy’ airframes and piston engines.
Roger Smith.
By: mike currill - 19th March 2007 at 10:53
To add to the confusion there is also an equation for converting static thrust to hp(which is only good at a speed of (I think)375mph):) As far as I can remember this equation can be found in a book by A.C.Kermode, the title of which I cannot remember. Yes I can ‘Flight Without Formula’ which should be available in your local library.
By: landyman2 - 14th March 2007 at 21:01
And if you really want a headache try this one.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_engine_performance
edit, Forgot to mention but as far as i remember Boyles law does not include equations for the combustion of the gasses, just the heating of.
hope this helps.
Greg
By: landyman2 - 14th March 2007 at 20:35
Basically its expanding in a confined space, (the volume is no longer a constant as the combustion causes the gas to expand), thus increasing the pressure. as the presure is higher at the chamber inlet than it is at the outlet the gas escapes through the path of least resistance, ie, out the back. please don’t ask me to do the equations for it cos i really do not even want to attempt it, its been 25 years since i had to tackle them things and i ain’t going to start now. 😉
here’s some basic stuff. for thickies like wot i is. :rolleyes: 😉 😀
http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/airplane/aboyle.html
a bit more in depth but this may help.
http://library.thinkquest.org/12596/combined.html
hope this helps.
Greg