Possibility of M88 on FC-1 discussed in the following interview..and lots of other interesting stuff related to millitary aviation
Original Chinese: http://jczs.sina.com.cn/2003-11-20/164589.html
Wierd English Translation:
European helicopter company: 35 years ago start to strengthen with China in the helicopter aspect cooperation, in front of 25 start to China to export the military helicopter, now have launched a broader cooperation in the police with the helicopter domain and China.
(By ???: The European helicopter company Asian and Pacific area sells Manager Jiang Delong)
Reporter: How many did your Europe helicopter company participate in China has?
Answer: Had 15 years history, but sells the helicopter to China to have 25 years history.
Reporter: You with Chinese helicopter cooperation what state?
Answer: At least in 25 years ago, we on has launched the thorough cooperation with China in the helicopter profession, in recent years, we continuously launched the cooperation in several famous helicopters projects, like straight -8, was straight -9, EC-120 was an airplane which made with joint forces by our Harbin airplane manufacture company and the Singapore airplane manufacture company, moreover these days, our parent company EADS and the China National Aviation Corp two groups were signing a cooperation agreement, in the agreement also can involve to our company’s some business.
Reporter: Whether discloses the agreement detail to us?
Answer: This cooperation agreement involves to the quite several models airplanes, the concrete detail still was the security, but I believed, at the end of this year, EADS and our company’s President could arrive China, at that time you can learn more information.
Reporter: Why center does Congress choose your company “the ultra hornet” and “the porpoise” the helicopter, but has not chosen the Arab League goose tower company the AB series helicopter? In what technical has the reason?
Answer: We had 35 years history with China’s cooperation, but our competitor was afterwards only then is walking with ours footsteps, I did not want to perform to the competitor helicopter to comment, because I certainly did not understand to their product, but I knew, our company’s helicopter was according to market request quantity body making to order, the European helicopter company already occupied the global 65% civil rotorcraft market.
Reporter: Why NH-90 this doesn’t have participates?
Answer: NH-90 and ill is in harmony with the Chinese market, this we have brought one kind of newest helicopter EC-225, which is this helicopter completely different with repeatedly modification several dozens year ago old airplane, but is one kind of new technical representative.
Reporter: What is the EC-225 main use?
Answer: EC-225 mainly uses in the inshore patrol, the search rescue, the distinguished guest special plane as well as the military traffic duty, we provide 13 kind of different models for the market the helicopters, in these helicopters oldest is five years ago designs the production, what is newest is a year ago designs the production, they all are nearly several end of the year use the newest technical production according to the market different demand, our helicopter may meet the market 80% need.
Reporter: In the military helicopter aspect, how “the tiger” does the type and “Arab League ??” compare the performance?
“Tiger” type helicopter
American AH-60 “long bow Arab League ??” armed helicopter
Answer: I do not want to discuss our match, but I want to tell you am, “the tiger” the type uses is the most recent development technology, is a new helicopter, its board installation also is newest.
Reporter: “Tiger” type most recent development what state?
Answer: “The tiger” the type by the law Germany order, “the tiger” the type performance has been extremely splendid, the fuselage 80% all is made by the compound material.
Reporter: Your this demonstration mainly is the police uses the helicopter, this is not meant your Europe helicopter company will launch the cooperation with China in the police with the helicopter aspect?
Answer: The Guangdong police have already purchased EC-135 and a EC-120 helicopter, uses in the public security protection. EC-120 is France, China and Singapore makes with joint forces, at present the sales situation best light police uses the helicopter up to the world in, occupied the world light police to use the helicopter 70% market. But to the customer sale helicopter is only insufficient, how do we also have the church this country personnel to drive the helicopter. In order to strengthen the European helicopter company and China’s cooperation, we have already established a helicopter service center in Guangzhou, European helicopter company has 21% stock, we also invest the establishment rear service service center in Hong Kong, in order to well serves for the Chinese market and other Asian market, the customer purchases our product, we are certainly very happy, but makes us to take pleasure to glad that saw our customer can safely reliably drive the helicopter, this also was we the reason which unceasingly invest in the post-sale service aspect, moreover we also will continue to strengthen this aspect the investment.
Reporter: In the Chinese helicopter market, which does the European helicopter company’s main competitor have?
Answer: The European helicopter company occupied the global 65% helicopter market, in other words the European helicopter company has surpassed other all helicopters company market sum total, therefore should say the European helicopter company is other helicopter companies’ competitors, but cannot say other companies are our Europe helicopter company’s competitors.
“A wind” the fighter aircraft has installed two M88 engine
Si Nike Masurium company: We are replacing Si for Z-9 Nike Masurium the company ?? the Ye engine,
This airplane soon replaces in this September successfully, after replacement motor power bigger, the performance is better; In the near future, perhaps will be in next year some time, our M88-2 engine will be able to appear in the Chinese military airplane market; If replaces our engine, the FC-1 range can farther, the reliability can stronger, because we confidentially start to be lighter than other engines 30%~40%.
(By ???: Si Nike Masurium corporate growth department vice- president Mike cloth rope especially)
Reporter: When your Si does the Nike Masurium company is start with China to launch the cooperation?
Answer: We are long-standing with China’s cooperation, in 1989 we on have set up the office in Beijing, in very many years before we on have established the very good relations with Chinese National Aviation Corporation and the Chinese commercial aviation. We the first airplane which service in China is the Southwestern Airlines’s Boeing airplane, that was from 1985 to 1987, at that time mainly was carries on the maintenance to the Chinese aviation and the Southwestern Airlines’s aircraft engine.
Reporter: How Si the Nike Masurium company and do China launch the cooperation in the military domain?
Answer: We before once has carried on this aspect discussion, but the military was, from 1989 which and politics close unites, the American-led western nation to China has carried on the very long time military embargo, any the military installations which exports to China all must obtain the French government in France the agreement, thereupon falls into the deadlock with China’s military cooperation, five years ago we have carried on a series of cooperations discussion with the China aviation industry main corporation, the cooperation content including some technical questions, like engine air operated layout, air intake and so on.
Reporter: This on the one hand cooperation progress what state?
Answer: We now are discussing the K-8 trainer aircraft with the Chinese government the cooperation question, we already to the Chinese government suggested replaces our engine for K-8, moreover we and pass the abundant plum card company also to have the good cooperation relations. Passes the abundant plum card company is the helicopter engine domain lead goat, it to the 1980s early times on in China’s Suzhou establishment company, for China’s Z-9 helicopter production engine, now we is replacing Si for Z-9 Nike Masurium the company ?? the Ye engine, this airplane soon replaces in this September successfully, after replacement motor power bigger, the performance is better.
Reporter: What Si is the Nike Masurium company to the K-8 replacement engine model?
Answer:
Reporter: Si does the Nike Masurium company have the consideration to export the military engine to China?
Answer: Yes, we have considered this aspect cooperation, but temporarily the French government has many limits to us to China’s arm export, but in the near future, perhaps will be in next year some time, our product will be able to appear in the Chinese service airplane market.
Reporter: Concrete is aims at M88, if is, which one kind of development model then is concrete refers to?
Answer: At present our also only can provide M88-2, M88 also has one kind of renewal development M88-3, but this kind of model because the fund is short, now still was at the product demonstration stage.
SNECMA M88 engine
Reporter: When exportation what technical transfer aspect has the question?
Answer: Certainly when signs the agreement with the Chinese government, we can the technical transfer and the technical support aspect question consider.
Reporter: You will think which models China will purchase M88 to equip the fighter aircraft?
Answer: At present still not clear.
Reporter: Si the Nike Masurium company when carries on the cooperation with other national companies is the oneself company acts on behalf of, or carries on through other organizations?
Answer: Are group directly carry on with other companies’ cooperations by Si the Nike Masurium, including technical transfer and in China’s product production.
Reporter: The French government can carry on the interference to your cooperation?
Answer: Cannot, if we were under the French government’s permission in politics, then we may adopt any cooperation way and China carry on the cooperation.
Reporter: What level at present Si the Nike Masurium company and is the Chinese company’s cooperation in?
Answer: At present, China’s many companies all are producing Si the Nike Masurium company the engine, like Shenyang “daybreak” engine, in addition place and so on Guizhou, Xi’an, Jinan also is producing Si the Nike Masurium company the engine.
Reporter: Besides the engine, what product Si does Nike Masurium also have?
Answer: We also have many products, if in China’s Suzhou, we has a special company to produce the landing gear.
Reporter: With China in the service airplane aspect cooperation, what condition now is at? Merely is one kind of conception, or already launched?
Answer: In the military aircraft aspect cooperation, at present also is at the discussion stage, the engine and the fighter aircraft must match, but we now did not know the Chinese military must install our engine in on any model fighter aircraft, therefore now we are impossible for the Chinese production engine, but China already expressed to our product the interest, I believed, in the near future, this aspect cooperation can launch.
Reporter: M88 is Si the Nike Masurium company sells to China, or China first company sets the purchase request to Si the Nike Masurium?
Answer: Is the China aviation industry main corporation’s high level leaders first saw after M88 high performance, we only then comprehensively demonstrate our product to them, but now we can do only have these, once the policy permission, we can launch a more thorough cooperation with the Chinese friends.
Reporter: M88 in “wind” on fighter plane performance what state?
Answer: The M88 engine performance is extremely superior, at that time because was M88 which “a wind” the fighter plane produces is Si Nike Masurium company first according to the customer request specification on time, the project project which carries on according to the budget. Now the French air force and the navy has equipped more than 20 “a wind” the fighter plane, these fighter planes have established the distinguished service in the Afghan battlefield. In war period, on the fighter plane equips the M88 engine has not appeared any breakdown, displays the enormous reliability and the operational performance.
Reporter: As a result of the French government’s financial limit, the French sea, the air force in equips “a wind” in the progress is not compared to the original plan must retard?
Answer: Yes, if according to the original plan, the French sea, the air force now originally should equip 100 “a wind” the fighter plane, but the present only has 20, in the future in three, four years, the French sea, the air force will receive more than 100 “a wind” the fighter plane, more than 200 M88 engine.
Reporter: Then the present France government was increased to French navy’s and air force’s financial allocation?
Answer: Yes, along with two years ago the French government’s replacement, the new government realizes the French army the fiscal budget to be truly very few, increased this aspect investment, enhances the French army the battle efficiency.
Reporter: “Wind” fighter plane payment plan postponing,
“Wind” fighter plane
Company’s influence has in a big way to Si the Nike Masurium?
Answer: Influence mainly has two aspects to Si the Nike Masurium’s, first was it disrupts Si the Nike Masurium company to produce the activity in the military aircraft aspect organization, but what is more important it company’s overseas market has had the huge impulse to Si the Nike Masurium, at that time if South Korea was because acted on behalf of to the American government to exert pressure but has not purchased French the product.
Reporter: Which now did M88 carry on to improve?
Answer: We now are developing the M88-3 engine, this kind of motor power is bigger, may amount to 23,000 pounds, other start the confidential basis different fighter aircraft model the different exportation request to make the improvement.
Reporter: “A wind” the original plan replaces the M88-3 engine, now this plan also carries on?
Answer: Whether replaces M88-3 to have to decide by the French air force, but I believed that, all is impossible “a wind” the fighter plane all to replace the M88-3 engine, because the present “a wind” the fighter plane also is carrying on other promotion projects, the operational performance and the equipment request all has differently, we must perform according to the French air force’s request to the engine to improve.
Reporter: The M88 service life has long?
Answer: At present the service life is 500 hours, but because the M88 service time is not long, passes through period of time services, we also must make the improvement to it, after the improvement service time have long, we now cannot determine.
Reporter: You thought how Chinese FC-1 does replace the M88 engine performance to be able?
The FC-1 fighter aircraft now uses the Russian engine
Answer: We before has carried on this aspect discussion, although finally has not succeeded, certainly mainly was as a result of the political reason. If replaces our engine, the FC-1 range can farther, the reliability can stronger, because we confidentially start to be lighter than other engines 30%~40%.
Reporter: If present FC-1 replaces your Si the Nike Masurium company engine, what problem can have?
Answer: Because afterwards we certainly have not participated in Chinese the FC-1 project, not too is all clear to the airplane concrete performance and the specification, therefore the present is unable to know does have the question.
Reporter: Except M88, Si does the Nike Masurium company also have other new products?
Answer: Except M88 outside, we also have one kind of civil new product, namely GFM-56 engine.
Reporter: Other famous engine companies compare with the world in, Si Nike Masurium company’s technical superiority in where?
Answer: Now in the world the most advanced engine was M88, although US was developing some new engines, but these development has not all succeeded, therefore should say in the present world in the active duty engine counted M88 to be most advanced.
Reporter: Si Nike Masurium company and India’s cooperation what state?
“Illusory image” 2,000
Answer: India now has more than 50 “the illusory image” 2,000, the equipment is the M53 engine, moreover India also will purchase the more M53 engine.
Reporter: How Si does the Nike Masurium company provide the fast effective post-sale service for the customer?
Answer: We have a formidable post-sale service network, we has set up named CSC in China (customer service center) the post-sale service center, or we all can have a technical support center in the customer in the country nearby the country, our every Sunday day, 24 hours provide the uninterrupted post-sale service every day for the global customer. If the customer has encountered any difficulty, we can make the response immediately, provides the solution. Moreover, we also on-line provide the post-sale service for the customer, the customer may find the detailed service detail in our special website.
Reporter: How Si does the Nike Masurium company is carry on the personnel to train?
Answer: The cooperation first should carry on between personnel’s exchange stratification plane. We have already launched many training projects. China has many engineers now Si the Nike Masurium company to have training, we also with province the and so on Beijing, Nanjing, Xi’an, Jinan universities have carried on the training project cooperation.
Reporter: How many were you time participate in China?
Answer: Very many has been inferior, specifically how many I also recorded not clear, has already gone to Zhuhai, Xi’an as well as Beijing.
Reporter: What do you attend ?? the goal are?
Answer: This only is one kind of pure commercial market development, China is a we latent customer, this is we comes here goal.
Reporter: How do you think this ?? the scale?
Answer: This ?? although does not have the outfield to demonstrate, but in the such small space, can see such many companies as well as our competitor, I feel regarding this extremely happily.
Reporter: Do you have had thought how becomes Chinese this latent market a realistic market?
Answer: This question we already considered very for a long time, Sichuan Si Nike Masurium company itself was an example, this company not only services the equipment which the others sends, moreover has launched a series of motion type service, carries on the line maintenance to each airport.
Reporter: Thank you to accept our interview.
Background material:
A-Darter is for should to the next generation fighter plane air fight condition under, under hostile electronic countermeasures means condition recent development fifth generation of air-to-air missile, its system characteristic is: Under near distance fight condition highly flexibility; Has the Gao Min perception and the multi- patterns electron counter- countermeasure equipment thermal imagery detection unit; The low resistivity wingless design, is farther than the tradition tactical missile firing distance many; After launch fixed and memory tracking performance; Designs dexterously, suitable to the tradition “the sidewinder” the discharger.
A-Darter may use the aircraft radar or the helmet mounted sight aiming goal, also may use the missile automatic scan function, the great angle of view and the missile flexibility which guiding has causes the missile to be possible to realize the deviation spool thread hard helmet aiming launch, after the use launch locks the pattern to be possible to realize the long-distance interception. The concrete performance index is: Long 2980mm, diameter 166mm, gross weight 89kg, ??488mm.
The Kent dragon infrared thermal imagery photographic apparatus is one kind of high-tech, the high performance thermal imaging system, uses is the 384*288CMT focusing, the flight array. Infrared photographic apparatus itself provides the high grade infrared imagery in 3-5 mu m spectrum scope, suits under is hot, moist and the cold climatic conditions carries on the long-distance imagery. The Kent dragon infrared imagery camera mainly uses in outside the defense area the weapon target detection and the precise terminal guidance request and the similar survey application.
Compact, the dexterous modular imagery design completely uses the independent entire coverall system equipment, when and protection system integration use, may use in to reconnoiter and under the visibility marine survey and so on the multiple functions; The high sensitivity and the double field of vision union enormously strengthened its goal gain and the track capacity; The aircraft-borne integration electronic installation compact causes its design, to be dexterous; The dignity function mainly uses the software control, is easy to operate, the promotion potential is big; As a result of the dexterous independence entire coverall system equipment characteristic, kenis may use in the portable infrared imagery meter; May select the microwave scanning. Origin: “?? Science and technology” magazine.
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