Kuznetsov upgrade.

Строку, которую сыновья шлюх!

Well that is what google translate says!

Certainly no lack of vision here :p:D:rolleyes:

Строку, которую сыновья шлюх!

Well that is what google translate says!

It would be scary if one had gone off in the silo!

http://balancer.ru/forum/punbb/attachment.php?item=285126&download=2

Awesome photo of Granit being launched from Kuznetsov.

thats awesome. One single missile and the entire foredeck is clouded…. it would be scary to see the Granit’s blast off in quick succession.

Well any upgrade should involve the cutting of several hundred holes for oarlocks to allow the crew to row when the boilers inevitably break down.

Certainly no lack of vision here :p:D:rolleyes:

Thanks a lot! May I know where you got those drawings?

From those pics it’s unlikely that removing the Granits will allow for a hangar extension as people have speculated. That area can better be used for additional fuel bunkarage or storage of ammunition for the aircraft.

http://paralay.com/atakr.html

You could still do it if you use areas immediately forward of the hanger and relocate their functions to other vacated areas (due to missile launcher removal) located even further forward.

http://balancer.ru/forum/punbb/attachment.php?item=285126&download=2

Awesome photo of Granit being launched from Kuznetsov.

Thats just silly. All they would need is a few holes in the flight deck for some masts. Taking the missiles out would leave plenty of room to store the sails.

Well any upgrade should involve the cutting of several hundred holes for oarlocks to allow the crew to row when the boilers inevitably break down.

The hangar is not adjacent to the launcher bay.

Thanks a lot! May I know where you got those drawings?

From those pics it’s unlikely that removing the Granits will allow for a hangar extension as people have speculated. That area can better be used for additional fuel bunkarage or storage of ammunition for the aircraft.

The hangar is not adjacent to the launcher bay.

Now that INS Vikramaditya has started sea trials and is to be ready to be delivered on 4th December…what are the plans for Kuznetsov?
Will she be docked for upgradation this year itself after INS Vikramaditya vacates Sevmash or are they going to waste time and prolong it?

@TR1
reconstruction might be significant, but it is unlikely to have any structural changes like Admiral Gorshkov as Kuznetsov is a full blown aircraft carrier. The only thing that I see is probably removal of the Granit missile silos. It need to be seen if they go in for Nuclear power plants.

Russian Marine Nuclear plants
http://www.okbm.nnov.ru/english/npp

Everything will depend on funding allocation. In the past many Russian ships and subs have sit at pierside or in dry dock for years intermittent allocation for repair. I have a feeling the Russian Navy will wait till they can finalize a fairly steady flow of funds before moving it in dry dock; else the Kuznetsov may suffer a similar fate as the Kirovs, which have been awaiting refurbishment for over a decade.

I personally believe the refurbishment work will be more practical, and mainly aim to modernize and overhaul the carrier for another 15-20 years of service
as opposed to a major rebuild. The boilers will be replaced and the electronics upgraded, but no nuclear reactors or steam catapults. As for the Granits, it appears they’re directly below the angled flight deck, so if the VLS cells are adjacent to the hangar it may be possible to extend the latter.

Now that INS Vikramaditya has started sea trials and is to be ready to be delivered on 4th December…what are the plans for Kuznetsov?
Will she be docked for upgradation this year itself after INS Vikramaditya vacates Sevmash or are they going to waste time and prolong it?

@TR1
reconstruction might be significant, but it is unlikely to have any structural changes like Admiral Gorshkov as Kuznetsov is a full blown aircraft carrier. The only thing that I see is probably removal of the Granit missile silos. It need to be seen if they go in for Nuclear power plants.

Russian Marine Nuclear plants
http://www.okbm.nnov.ru/english/npp

Too early to tell.
Reconstruction will be significant using experience from Gorshkov.
They are still planning scope of rebuild.

Like JangBoGo says. Most of the rumoured ‘upgrades’ listed in articles are fanciful dreams of a journalist who doesn’t know better. Stuff like changing the propulsion system to a completely different type, installing steam catapults and so on are about as likely as converting the entire Kilo fleet into Akulas.

What’s more realistic is that the Kuz’s propulsion plant issues will finally be resolved once and for all by replacing its boilers with the new model created for the Vikramaditya. Other systems will get a thorough overhaul and perhaps be modernized along the lines of the Vikramaditya as well; like the new Lesorub-E CMS, newer radio/communications equipment, an improved TACAN etc. Some of the new technology acquired with the Mistrals may also be applied.

Hopefully complaints regarding living conditions on the ship(plumbing not working, insufficient heating for cold weather, lack of auxiliary boilers etc) will also be solved.

^^^ most of it is probably not correct.
But new electronics and systems are for sure. Removal of Granit missile another high probability. But it wont make a difference on the air-wing. Maybe give some additional storage space underneath. New air-wing consisting of at least 24 x MiG-29K is a definite though.

Change over to gas turbine not likely and probably will continue with the current set up. Maybe be they will replace the old boilers with KVG-3D diesel units that is also installed in INS Vikramaditya.

from wikipedia, so take it with a grain of salt:

In April 2010 it was announced that by the end of 2012 the ship will enter Severodvinsk Sevmash shipyard for a major refit and modernisation. The report states that the refit will include upgrades to the obsolete electronics and sensor equipment, installation of the new anti-aircraft system and increase of the air wing by the removal of the P-700 Granit anti-ship missiles. Upgrades might also include exchanging the troublesome steam powerplant to the gas-turbine or even nuclear propulsion and installation of catapults to the angled deck.

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_aircraft_carrier_Admiral_Kuznetsov