what are your picks for the top 5 ships in each category. since many ships have multiple roles you can vote for the same ship multiple times!
Top 5 super carriers
Top 5 LHD
Top 5 LPD
Top 5 guided missile destroyers
Top 5 ASW ship
Top 5 Air Defense ship
Top 5 General purpose ships
Top 5 SSBNs
Top 5 SSKs
Top 5 corvettes
By: leon - 20th July 2010 at 18:50
Why not, that’s what it is isn’t it? Besides, it’s a more allround unit than the ASW oriented Spruance and the AAW oriented Ticonderoga (which is called a CG anyway). THe assignment didn’t state that only the lated models of ships could be included. Kidd is a KA destroyer in my book.
Yes, but the Kidd class is today quite old.
I haven’t. I have taken the classification given by the parent navy at face value
OK. Today’s classifications are really problematic. Not only the obviously ridicules ones as the Japanese DDH of the Hyuga class, but most CG, DD, DDG, FF, FFG classifications.
I am thinking about how future generations will classify the warships of the last decades. They will have to invent something more useful than “corvette”, “frigate”, “destroyer” and “cruiser”.
In the 1940s there were only some cases, where the classification in destroyer and cruiser were difficult, e.g. the Dutch Tromp class, the French Le Fantasque class, the Italian Capitano Romani class – but today?!
In my opinion the development of the cruising ship came into a blind alley with the big cruisers of the 1940s. They new cruising ships were developed from the smaller and cheaper destroyers – but where classified as cruisers, destroyers or frigates. The lower end of today’s cruising ships are frigates with similar tasks as the gunboats of the 19th century, e.g. the the French Floréal class. The biggest examples are the ships of the Atago and KDX III class – again slightly smaller than the biggest ships some decades before (e.g. the Slava class).
Two additional developments also contributes to the development of today’s crusing ships and somehow fused into the same development:
a) the slow escort vessels designed to protect convoys and hunt submarines (these ships were called frigates, corvettes, sloops and DE in World War 2)
b) somehow also the FAC, which grew to a size to be useful for blue water operations and fused to the lower end of today’s cruising ships.
By: J33Nelson - 20th July 2010 at 01:48
Top super carriers
*Nimitz Class
Top LHD
*Wasp Class
Top LPD
*Rotterdam Class
Top guided missile destroyer
*Horizon Class
Top ASW ship
*Hyuga Class
Top 5 Air Defense ship
*Sejong the Great Class
Top General purpose ships
*FREMM Class
Top SSBNs
*Ohio Class
Top SSKs
*Soryu Class
Top corvettes
*Visby Class
By: Wanshan - 19th July 2010 at 20:34
interesting you would rank lanzhou so high.. what about De Zeven Provincien, Sachsen, etc? I noticed many of your corvettes are also quite old
That’s just my top five favorites, not todays top 5 as in ‘the ultimate’ in rank order.
I so want to include CGN Long Beach somewhere…..
There aren’t that many (new) corvettes: Commandanti class, Barroso class (light frigate), Lekiu (light frigate), Steregushy (light frigate)
By: Wanshan - 19th July 2010 at 20:33
where would you place the Cavour then?
Cavour doesn’t have a well-deck/dock
where would you place De Zeven Provincien on this list?
Logically at the same place a Sachsen (same AAW fit, similar in most other important respects)
By: Wanshan - 19th July 2010 at 20:27
Why do you include the Kidd class?
Why not, that’s what it is isn’t it? Besides, it’s a more allround unit than the ASW oriented Spruance and the AAW oriented Ticonderoga (which is called a CG anyway). THe assignment didn’t state that only the lated models of ships could be included. Kidd is a KA destroyer in my book.
And how to define “destroyer”? E.g. there is no big difference in size and capabilities between the Dutch LCF/German F124/ Spanish F100 and the Type 45/Horizon/Type 052C – especially if you consider the difference between the Horizon class and the Sejong the Great class!
I haven’t. I have taken the classification given by the parent navy at face value i.e. the Brits call Type 45 a destroyer, the Dutch call the LCF a frigate as do the Germans the F124 (which is an altogether different ship, albeit with similar sensor and weapons fit) and the Spaniards the F100.
Official classifications are somehow useless if you compare “cruisers”, “destroyers” and “frigates” – and if you compare e.g. the Dutch frigates of the De Zeven Provincien class and the French frigates of the Floréal class.
Agree, look at how USN used to classify its ships. USN Guided Missile Cruisers with Nuclear Propulsion (CGNs, like e.g. Bainbridge) were once called DLGN = Guided Missile Frigate, Nuclear Propulsion.
By: Arabella-Cox - 19th July 2010 at 19:47
Top 5 guided missile destroyers
– Arleigh Burke/Kongo/Atago/Sejong the Great class
– Kidd class
– Daring (Type 45) class
– Horizon/Orrizonte class
– Lanzhou (Type 052C) classTop 5 corvettes
– Niels Juel class
– Minerva class
– K130 Braunschweig class
– Commandante class
– A69 aviso
interesting you would rank lanzhou so high.. what about De Zeven Provincien, Sachsen, etc? I noticed many of your corvettes are also quite old
By: Arabella-Cox - 19th July 2010 at 19:44
Top 5 LHD
– JCI/Canberra Class
– Wasp Class
– Tarawa Class
– Mistral Class
where would you place the Cavour then?
Top 5 Air Defense ship
– T45/Horizon
– SPY-1 Ships
– Slava/Kirov class
– Sachsen class
– County Class (for looking so good)
where would you place De Zeven Provincien on this list?
By: leon - 19th July 2010 at 18:59
Top 5 guided missile destroyers
– Arleigh Burke/Kongo/Atago/Sejong the Great class
– Kidd class
– Daring (Type 45) class
– Horizon/Orrizonte class
– Lanzhou (Type 052C) class
Why do you include the Kidd class?
And how to define “destroyer”? E.g. there is no big difference in size and capabilities between the Dutch LCF/German F124/ Spanish F100 and the Type 45/Horizon/Type 052C – especially if you consider the difference between the Horizon class and the Sejong the Great class!
Official classifications are somehow useless if you compare “cruisers”, “destroyers” and “frigates” – and if you compare e.g. the Dutch frigates of the De Zeven Provincien class and the French frigates of the Floréal class.
By: Wanshan - 19th July 2010 at 10:05
Top 5 super carriers:
“Supercarrier is an unofficial descriptive term for the largest type of aircraft
carrier, usually displacing over 70,000 long tons. The U.S. Navy currently has 11 such ships. In comparison, a few countries operate medium carriers of around 40,000 tons (such as Charles de Gaulle), whereas light carriers closer to 20,000 (such as HMS Illustrious) are more typical. Supercarriers are the largest warships ever built.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercarrier
If focus is on actual (rather than projected) ships then there is no real choice here but US ships. I.e. not really interesting.
Top 5 LHD
“Landing Helicopter Dock (LHD), is the US Navy hull classification symbol for multipurpose amphibious assault ships which are capable of operating helicopters and have a well deck.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landing_Helicopter_Dock
By this definition, there are only 5 possible contenders, of which two are US ships and clearly the largest and most capable:
Wasp (LHD 1) class
Tarawa (LHA 1) class
Juan Carlos I (BPE) class & derivative Canberra class
Mistral (BPC) class
Dokdo (LPH 6111) class
Top 5 LPD ( + LSD)
– San Antonio Class
– Whidbey Island / Harpers Ferry classes
– Galicia/Rotterdam/de Witt/Bay classes (Enforcer series)
– Albion Class
– Type-071 (Yuzhao) class
Top 5 guided missile destroyers
– Arleigh Burke/Kongo/Atago/Sejong the Great class
– Kidd class
– Daring (Type 45) class
– Horizon/Orrizonte class
– Lanzhou (Type 052C) class
Top 5 corvettes
– Niels Juel class
– Minerva class
– K130 Braunschweig class
– Commandante class
– A69 aviso
By: d'clacy - 19th July 2010 at 01:14
It has had its fair share of problems, but a lot of that was politics, with the party that did NOT order them being in power for 12 years and canning them at every opportunity to score political points. They still had their share of problems though. But they still are an effective submarine.
By: Arabella-Cox - 18th July 2010 at 19:37
Top 5 SS
– Sōryū class
– Oyashio class
– Collins class
– Oberon Class (One of the unsung hero’s of the cold war)
– Kilo Class (shear number of them)
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i thought the collins class was considered by many to be a failure
By: StevoJH - 18th July 2010 at 03:35
Top 5 super carriers:
– Queen Elizabeth Class
– Ford Class
– Nimitz Class
– USS Enterprise
– Forrestal Class
Top 5 LHD
– JCI/Canberra Class
– Wasp Class
– Tarawa Class
– Mistral Class
Top 5 LPD
– Fearless Class
– Raleigh Class
– Enforcer Class
– Albion Class
– San Antonio Class (maybe, the classes problems may disclude them…)
Top 5 ASW ship
– T23 Frigate
– Spraunce Class
– Leander Class
– T22 Frigate
– OHP Class
Top 5 Air Defense ship
– T45/Horizon
– SPY-1 Ships
– Slava/Kirov class
– Sachsen class
– County Class (for looking so good)
Top 5 General purpose ships
– T23 Frigate
– Spraunce Class
– Leander Class
– T22 Frigate
– OHP Class
Top 5 SSBNs
– Ohio Class
– Vanguard Class
– Triomphant class
– Typhoon/Akula Class
Top 5 SS
– Sōryū class
– Oyashio class
– Collins class
– Oberon Class (One of the unsung hero’s of the cold war)
– Kilo Class (shear number of them)
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By: MadRat - 18th July 2010 at 03:32
Top 5 Battlewagons
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