Does Russia want to keep the ex-Gorshkov???

I expect little else than either a set of BARAK-1 vl-sam or a couple of Kashtan for self defense.

very probably

Any idea about weapons fit on Vikramaditya ? off course apart from the aircrafts and helicopters..:p

I expect little else than either a set of BARAK-1 vl-sam or a couple of Kashtan for self defense.

Any idea about weapons fit on Vikramaditya ? off course apart from the aircrafts and helicopters..:p

India and Russia have ‘successfully’ concluded the agreement on the Admiral Gorshkov aircraft carrier, ending a long standoff over the key defence deal, Indian Foreign Secretary Nirupama Rao said.

The issue, Rao said, came up during the summit level talks between visiting Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and Russian President Dmitry Medvedev Monday.

‘Both the leaders discussed the issue and noted excellent progress on negotiations on price and technical issues which have been brought to a successful conclusion,’ she told reporters in a late night briefing.

But the foreign secretary gave no details about the price. Sources had earlier said that it was ‘satisfactory’ for both sides.

The delivery of the aircraft carrier, now rechristened INS Vikramaditya, was agreed years ago but has been long delayed due to bargaining over refitting prices.

The haggling of the Soviet-era carrier had come to symbolise the strains in relations between the two Cold War allies.

Russian media quoting Kremlin sources confirmed that Moscow would finally deliver the refurbished aircraft carrier to India.

However, there was no word on when the vessel might be handed over to the Indian Navy.

Manmohan Singh was on a three-day trip to Moscow during which he signed six bilateral pacts, including a deal on the peaceful use of atomic energy that guarantees uninterrupted uranium fuel supplies for Indian reactors and transfer of technology.

The two sides also inked three military pacts.

No, Russia is not keeping Gorshkov. . .

http://story.malaysiasun.com/index.php/ct/9/cid/b8de8e630faf3631/id/574612/cs/1/

I see a Russian Flag……

Damnit, Russkies have been caught . . .

A lot more new pics here: http://pilot.strizhi.info/2009/10/25/6854#more-6854

I see a Russian Flag……

great photo’s cant wait to see this ship finnished.

I think someone asked for the latest Gorshkov photos.
Here’s what I have.

Hi guys
I do not accept these comments!
I am not Russophobe !:mad:
I simply said that the futur Russia will not be as powerful as some may believe, that’s all!
end of the discution for me
best regard

Yeah, your major lack of respect for what the Russians have managed to achieve with relatively little is rather pathetic. End of discussion is a wise choice.

Feel free to underestimate them all you like. You’ll be disappointed.

You have really pegged yourself as a Russian hater, or Russophobe, as is too common these days on forums on the net. So sad.

Hi guys
I do not accept these comments!
I am not Russophobe !:mad:
I simply said that the futur Russia will not be as powerful as some may believe, that’s all!
end of the discution for me
best regard

I am not a journalist & i am not stupid

I doubt only the latter.

For russian aircraft carrier……..LOL:diablo:…
Even the modernization of the former “ex Gorshkov” turns ridiculous (great underestimation of workload … or corruption:rolleyes:…….4 years delay)
No real project of Russian aircraft carrier is under way (except perhaps the modernization of kuznestov … to make it last until about 2025/2030).
And even if the Russian have a aircraft carrier project, this will be simply a improved kuznestov….. no revolution …

Part of the issue was no extra money from India. Better to screw up India’s carrier, rather than future Russian ones – from a Russian perspective.

Apparently no futur russian cruisers project to replace the kirov & slava (earlier 1970’s design)

Kirov and Slava will last a long time with upgrades. New models may or may not be seen, I’m not even going to speculate here.

Heavily armed new destroyers can replace both.

Where are the US new cruiser designs?

Or any nation at all?

The actual Sovremennys & Udaloys russian destroyers were of 1970’s design….& obsolete by 2010-2015’s ! This need a fast replacement
you have images of new Russian destroyers ?, any keel laying ? :rolleyes:…..

drawing of possible futur russian design….only on paper :rolleyes:

Yeah okay.. following your logic here:

Ticonderoga = obsolete
Nimitz = obsolete beyond obsolete
Arleigh Burke = obsolete soon

There is nothing inherently wrong with the Udaloy or Sovremenny design, both platforms have excellent weapons systems, far superior just about every other destroyer out there, short of the Arleigh Burke in a holistic sense.

5-7 submarines overload the entire russian shipyards :rolleyes:
corvettes LOL:p……maybe 3/4 of this ships were under 2000 tons (light corvettes, patrol crafts….)

Yeah, who else is building that many subs and ships right now?

Probably not even the US, as a whole.

Nice try. . .

LOL 😀
a old design (1970’s) modernised with great cost (& hampered building new construction:rolleyes:)

Yes, the 1970s, same as Tico-era design, with more firepower than any ship on this planet. :rolleyes:

Why russian want to buy french amphibious ships when the russain itself produce during 1960-1980’s hundred of amphibious ships :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::D
simply because the russian shipyard lost the experience to build modern design…:rolleyes:

We discussed this. It’s a quick way to acquire a ship that has no room to be built. Secondly, R&D would take time too. So for the third time, it’s a quick way to acquire a ship. Assuming the deal even goes through.

any picture’s, any….delays
probably a handfull (maybe 3-4) were to be really build during 2010-2018’s…:rolleyes:

No pictures.

No delays that I know of either.

With 2 currently in the pipeline, I see this as nothing but a relatively successful project thus far.

some of the ships with low-speed build (some in construction for 15 years) were a 1980’s design :rolleyes:)

bulava failure:D, recent engine failure for a russian kilo submarine in black sea, nerpa explosion 2008…:rolleyes:

and the Russian energy resources (oil, mineral, ect…) only fill a part of the deficit (in budget term)

Russians are less powerful than you may think
a paper tiger
😉

SLBM tests go bad – what a surprise.

What explosion in Nerpa? Good way to sound like an idiot. Try fire-extinguishing system malfunction.

And those natural resources give Russia an easy economic advantage over other countries. Way to try and twist it into something negative.

And yeah, the Germans thought the Russians were a paper tiger in 1941 too. :rolleyes:
You have really pegged yourself as a Russian hater, or Russophobe, as is too common these days on forums on the net. So sad.

I think he was making an overall point. The potential for expansion in Russia is good. When the that potential will be tapped, remains to be seen.

You mean if, not when. Russian GDP per head is now calculated to be a little above the Soviet peak, but that is solely due to a great expansion in income from exports of natural resources. Current policy is inimical to productive investment, & not improving. There is no natural law that a territory rich in natural resources must undergo any kind of economic development. It can be mined – with no other development – until its resources run out, then abandoned. There are innumerable precedents, as even the most cursory study of economic history reveals.

This sounds like the type of BS journalist talk you can expect to find in the news. I certainly hope you don’t believe a word of what you said, because you are making baseless statements.

I am not a journalist & i am not stupid

New carriers are on paper, for now. Considering the vastly expanding budget of the Russian armed forces, 2nd only to the US in terms of PPP, you can bet that nuclear carriers will be seen eventually. That may well be before 2020.

For russian aircraft carrier……..LOL:diablo:…
Even the modernization of the former “ex Gorshkov” turns ridiculous (great underestimation of workload … or corruption:rolleyes:…….4 years delay)
No real project of Russian aircraft carrier is under way (except perhaps the modernization of kuznestov … to make it last until about 2025/2030).
And even if the Russian have a aircraft carrier project, this will be simply a improved kuznestov….. no revolution …

New cruisers – where did you even hear this? Something you made up to make your pointless argument seemingly have more flavor.

Apparently no futur russian cruisers project to replace the kirov & slava (earlier 1970’s design)

New destroyers – are planned to be revealed in 2012. No one has said otherwise. Currently, the 7 Sovremennys and 8 Udaloys are sufficient to make everyone think twice before engaging the RuN.
I suspect some amount of money has been laid out for the destroyers, as per the 2007 – 2015 FULLY FUNDED re-armament plan.

The actual Sovremennys & Udaloys russian destroyers were of 1970’s design….& obsolete by 2010-2015’s ! This need a fast replacement
you have images of new Russian destroyers ?, any keel laying ? :rolleyes:…..

drawing of possible futur russian design….only on paper :rolleyes:

Yes, you think submarines take no space to build? Considering there’s 2 SSBNs in the pipeline, and 2 SSNs of top quality, this is bad production rate? Are you insane? Along with 3 SSKs of Lada class? Plus a whole load of various corvettes?

5-7 submarines overload the entire russian shipyards :rolleyes:
corvettes LOL:p……maybe 3/4 of this ships were under 2000 tons (light corvettes, patrol crafts….)

A few NUCLEAR cruisers will be modernized. That is significant. The Slava class vessels are modernized and in great shape.

LOL 😀
a old design (1970’s) modernised with great cost (& hampered building new construction:rolleyes:)

Fiction: Russia can’t produce large ships.
Fact: Large shipyards are too busy to build the ships, and Russia has the $$$ to get even more ships over a certain period of time, through imports.

Why russian want to buy french amphibious ships when the russain itself produce during 1960-1980’s hundred of amphibious ships :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::D
simply because the russian shipyard lost the experience to build modern design…:rolleyes:

Light frigate? I don’t know what that is exactly. What I do know is, that the 22350 Admiral Gorshkov class frigates will be arguably the best anti-ship platform around, and formidable at air defense. There’s two already building.

any picture’s, any….delays 😀
probably a handfull (maybe 3-4) were to be really build during 2010-2018’s…:rolleyes:

Some have been under construction for 15 years because other projects were funded first. Since 2007, the massive re-armament plan has given a kick start to just about every program that was out there.

some of the ships with low-speed build (some in construction for 15 years) were a 1980’s design :rolleyes:)

bulava failure:D, recent engine failure for a russian kilo submarine in black sea, nerpa explosion 2008…:rolleyes:

and the Russian energy resources (oil, mineral, ect…) only fill a part of the deficit (in budget term)

Russians are less powerful than you may think
a paper tiger
😉

Oh dear. I think some study of economics is indicated on this thread.

To see how important resource endowment, by itself, is to the standard of living, compare the Democratic Republic of Congo with Japan. Or Bolivia with Switzerland. Or Myanmar with Singapore.

I think he was making an overall point. The potential for expansion in Russia is good. When the that potential will be tapped, remains to be seen.

This sounds like the type of BS journalist talk you can expect to find in the news. I certainly hope you don’t believe a word of what you said, because you are making baseless statements.

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Hmmm ….
Remember that all current new russian naval modernisation programs (new aircraft carriers, new cruisers, new destroyers) are currently only…..on paper …….:rolleyes:

New carriers are on paper, for now. Considering the vastly expanding budget of the Russian armed forces, 2nd only to the US in terms of PPP, you can bet that nuclear carriers will be seen eventually. That may well be before 2020.

New cruisers – where did you even hear this? Something you made up to make your pointless argument seemingly have more flavor.

New destroyers – are planned to be revealed in 2012. No one has said otherwise. Currently, the 7 Sovremennys and 8 Udaloys are sufficient to make everyone think twice before engaging the RuN.

I suspect some amount of money has been laid out for the destroyers, as per the 2007 – 2015 FULLY FUNDED re-armament plan.

Currently (and certainly for the next 2-5 years), any large Russian surface combattant ship to be built (except submarines)

(Only a few cruisers will be modernized …… with a great cost)

Yes, you think submarines take no space to build? Considering there’s 2 SSBNs in the pipeline, and 2 SSNs of top quality, this is bad production rate? Are you insane? Along with 3 SSKs of Lada class? Plus a whole load of various corvettes?

A few NUCLEAR cruisers will be modernized. That is significant.

The Slava class vessels are modernized and in great shape.

Moreover, the actual great weakness of Russian shipyards is shown by the following facts:
– Amphibious ship buying in French (this demonstrate the actual non-capability of russian shipsyards to produce big warships)

Fiction: Russia can’t produce large ships.

Fact: Large shipyards are too busy to build the ships, and Russia has the $$$ to get even more ships over a certain period of time, through imports.

– Russian shipyards have built in recent years that only some smaller vessels (light frigate, corvettes, patrols crafts….some are under construction since 5-15 years :D:D:D )
😉

Light frigate? I don’t know what that is exactly. What I do know is, that the 22350 Admiral Gorshkov class frigates will be arguably the best anti-ship platform around, and formidable at air defense. There’s two already building.

Some have been under construction for 15 years because other projects were funded first. Since 2007, the massive re-armament plan has given a kick start to just about every program that was out there.

It certainly should be, with it’s natural resources Russia should be the power house to 21st Century industry, and the standard of living should put the west to shame.

Oh dear. I think some study of economics is indicated on this thread.

To see how important resource endowment, by itself, is to the standard of living, compare the Democratic Republic of Congo with Japan. Or Bolivia with Switzerland. Or Myanmar with Singapore.

It certainly should be, with it’s natural resources Russia should be the power house to 21st Century industry, and the standard of living should put the west to shame.

Unfortunately, what wealth there is seems to be going to a small number of people who become extremely wealthy, and the rest are left to fend for themselves. Welcome to Victorian England.

How long to the next revolution??

Amphibious ship buying in French (this demonstrate the actual non-capability of russian shipsyards to produce big warships)

The Russians shipyards are still protesting about it. Its sad really when you think about Russia you always think of being self sufficient.

Don’t compare the British and the Russians. They are worlds apart in terms of overall military capability. Growth potential of the Russian economy also dwarfs anything Britain can possibly foresee for the rest of eternity, really.. While 6 nuclear carriers by 2030 seems unrealistic, I’d say by 2040 that becomes quite viable. 4 CVNs by 2030 is quite doable.

Hmmm ….
Remember that all current new russian naval modernisation programs (new aircraft carriers, new cruisers, new destroyers) are currently only…..on paper …….:rolleyes:

Currently (and certainly for the next 2-5 years), any large Russian surface combattant ship to be built (except submarines)

(Only a few cruisers will be modernized …… with a great cost)

Moreover, the actual great weakness of Russian shipyards is shown by the following facts:
– Amphibious ship buying in French (this demonstrate the actual non-capability of russian shipsyards to produce big warships)
– Russian shipyards have built in recent years that only some smaller vessels (light frigate, corvettes, patrols crafts….some are under construction since 5-15 years :D:D:D )
😉