March 29, 2008 at 8:54 pm
Well any navy really. I Just wondered why Navies don’t combine the role of heliborne radar decoy with CIWS, and better still on an unmanned platform.
The UAV would be deployed close to the vessel, but out of range of the vessel’s own defenses such as shipboard CIWS. The UAV would have an electro-optical sensor, a datalink, several anti-missile missiles (RAM, Mistral etc) and a radar decoy reflector.
Obviously this wouldn’t be much use to a ship with Aster, but many high-value ships only have CIWS onboard, or worse still just AAA, even 27 years after Falklands.
By: Jonesy - 1st April 2008 at 07:41
Again though Planeman this issue with the ‘airborne CIWS’ is one of positioning against the inbound. Mistral, like most evolved MANPADS, has precious little cross-range ability – it is a ‘point-defence’ system. This means that, unless the airborne platform happens to be almost directly on the inbounds course, then there is little chance that a weapon like Mistral would be able to make an intercept.
A high endurance rotary platform as an EW asset, however, is an altogether different proposition. Spotting a multi-node ELINT detection capability 20k ft up 50nm off a surface group, on station for 18hrs, without a single planned flight deck movement required to maintain the capability once launched is obviously a hugely valuable asset to a task group commander.
Mounting a stand off jammer, onboard power limitations allowing, in an airframe that could be high-endurance stationed within normal AShM active seeker range of a group and only switched to emit at inbound seeker-activation, to confuse the missile terminal-phase and stuff up any possible value from a home-on-jam mode, is also something that could have real benefits to a forward deployed task group facing an advanced AShM threat.
The beauty of something like A-160T over the more conventional E-2/Ka-31 asset is, of course, that you have so much deployment flexibility with them. You could easily see a dozen or so embarked aboard a CVF type carrier configured for AEW with a Searchwater type array, perhaps three or four more on an LPH configured for ISTAR/Comms relay and should one crash/get shot down or even simply that a requirement for extra airframes crops up you get one VERTREP’d over from the RFA that has 6 in crates in the hold and let the tiffs screw it together and configure the airframe as necessary!. Hell of a capability.
By: planeman6000 - 30th March 2008 at 18:36
Wouldn’t a hovering CIWS sytem have serious issues with recoil? just an amatuers thought there…
Absolutely, except… that assumes it’s using a gun. I’d suggest light anti-missile missiles with IIR seekers, like RAM or Mistral.
RAM is about the size of a Sidewinder, and is widely regarded as superior to Phalanx 20mm CIWS.
The French Mistral MANPAD is fast enough to offer some anti-missile capability and is employed as a CIWS in the Sadral system:
By: Arabella-Cox - 30th March 2008 at 16:47
Wouldn’t a hovering CIWS sytem have serious issues with recoil? just an amatuers thought there…
By: Distiller - 30th March 2008 at 16:14
What was the name of that sci-fi soap? Deepsea? Deepquest? The days of the swarms of protective robots is only just beginning. Look e.g. at the AN/WLD-1 Remote Minehunting System the USN is going to field. Just a question of time till aerial vehicles do the same, esp in littoral environment and in harbors.
By: Jonesy - 30th March 2008 at 15:38
Quite right – not sure about the airborne CIWS as such – most CIWS systems bank on zero bearing-rate for the inbound or, at least, a limited bearing rate.
A high endurance platform capable of lofting a significant payload and keeping it up for a good stretch IS something that will be valuable to the RN (amongst others). Thankfully this is already in the works in the shape of the A160 Hummingbird Warrior – shown below carrying a 1000lb payload – which could be representative of a fairly decent radar array. If Boeing could only keep it from crashing every now and again it’d be a hugely beneficial system for the ISTAR/AEW mission aboard non-CATOBAR carriers.