Taiwanese Tien Tan 1 Guided Missile frigate

is it relevant wheter they are intereptions or officals?? The issue was that you wondered the possiple connection to the OPH from the pics and I said that based on those, the relation is stricking.

Wheter it would have been case in the reality is rather pointless to think, becouse the ships were never build, At least I have spoken only about the pics and the key OPH like features of them, perhaps you got me wrong or something…:confused:

No we cannot, but what we see already from the outside is enough to determine that the ship is clearly related to OPH. But I think this is one of the “taste” isssues so I think its pointless to argue it further, don’t you think?

Once again, we can not see the internals, we ca not see below the water line, the pictures are conjecture and their creator said he tried to keep them as close to the OHP as possible- ie, they are his interpretation.

No we cannot, but what we see already from the outside is enough to determine that the ship is clearly related to OPH. But I think this is one of the “taste” isssues so I think its pointless to argue it further, don’t you think?

…or that I see what I want and you dont;) Anyway, my eye always tryes to look the ship as whole from the first clance and start lookin similarities to previously seen vessels. In this case the funnel and bow as well as rear superstructures are so obviously from OPH, It makes me wonder why someone wonder why that is OPH related…becouse she so clearly is!

I suggest you re-read the above posts.

Pictures are conjecture and interpretation, we can not see any of the internals or below the water line.

Seeing as we cant see below the waterline or any of the internals and these pictures are conjecture I think that is pushing it a bit.

…or that I see what I want and you dont;) Anyway, my eye always tryes to look the ship as whole from the first clance and start lookin similarities to previously seen vessels. In this case the funnel and bow as well as rear superstructures are so obviously from OPH, It makes me wonder why someone wonder why that is OPH related…becouse she so clearly is!

Hi,

Martin’s drawing takes some liberties IMO, but in the “conjectural drawing” the relevance almoust hits you in the eye

Liberties? Me? Never done that:-)))

Actually I tried to stay as close to the OHP as possible. But since the small CGI pictures does look quiet differently than your usual OHP: voilà!

Regards.

Still, I believe the American OHP and its sisters from Australia and Tawian. Turned out to be very capable frigates especially for there size………That said, as the old saying goes…………..it is what it is!;)

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The relevance to OPH in certain key shipbuilding areas such as hull form and placing of porpulsion is the ones that makes it easy to spot as a cousin to OPH. Superstructures can change dramatically, but that that doesent alone make a ship, almoust quite contrary.
Martin’s drawing takes some liberties IMO, but in the “conjectural drawing” the relevance almoust hits you in the eye

Seeing as we cant see below the waterline or any of the internals and these pictures are conjecture I think that is pushing it a bit.

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The relevance to OPH in certain key shipbuilding areas such as hull form and placing of porpulsion is the ones that makes it easy to spot as a cousin to OPH. Superstructures can change dramatically, but that that doesent alone make a ship, almoust quite contrary.
Martin’s drawing takes some liberties IMO, but in the “conjectural drawing” the relevance almoust hits you in the eye

Actually my toughts also, this ship does look alot like the Spanish ship. I’ve often wondered where is the Bazan class based on, mostly it looks like a down sized Alreigh burke, but perhaps its based on the spanish OHPs…

But I disagree with the “little resemblance to OHP” comment. It looks actually exactly like you would imagine OHP with strenghted hull and huge Aegis radars fitted. The hull lines are quite similar and the location of the powerplant is almoust identical to the earlier ship.

If you want to go down that route then you could say that it looks like pretty much every DDG designed in the last 20 years.

Actually my toughts also, this ship does look alot like the Spanish ship. I’ve often wondered where is the Bazan class based on, mostly it looks like a down sized Alreigh burke, but perhaps its based on the spanish OHPs…

But I disagree with the “little resemblance to OHP” comment. It looks actually exactly like you would imagine OHP with strenghted hull and huge Aegis radars fitted. The hull lines are quite similar and the location of the powerplant is almoust identical to the earlier ship.

That looks distinctly like the spanish Aegis designs and seems to have very little resemblance to an OHP.

Hi,

not much time, sorry. What I gathered is that many of the technical problems where (to be) solved at the time the program was frozen and later canceled. The decision to not procure these vessels were more political motivated.

This drawing is based on the available pictures of the time:

Regards

One of the biggest problems with the OHaP design is stress cracking of the superstructure. Lengthening the design would only exacerbate this. Incidently this problem also makes the design marginal for RAN patrols in the Southern Ocean.

That pretty much covers it. Taiwan initially built 7 OHPs, the plan was for the eigth to have a mini Aegis (assumably SPY-1F) and a Mark-41. However the idea came to naught and the final OHP was built to the same standard as the others only significantly delayed. The basic problem was that the OHP hull is too small and any enlargement would require an improved propulsion and electrical system to the extent that you might as well design a new ship from scratch. Incidently when the Australians fitted a VLS to their OHP’s they had structural problems too IIRC.

As with the ANZAC class Vs Adelaide class Forum

I have always thought that Australia could have stretched the Oliver Hazard Perry Class FFG design that little bit further as a follow on to the first two OHP batches.
I had always thought of lengthening the design by adding a plug at the bow to take a 32 or 48 cell Mk41 VLS in place of the Mk13 single arm launcher and magazine.
This would hold VL Standard MR.’s and ESSM’s.
I would also have replaced the single shaft arrangement with a twin shaft arrangement.
Then just recently I discovered the Taiwanese the ‘Tien Tan 1’ Guided Missile frigate (FFG) project

Did Taiwan end up building the ‘Tien Tan 1’ Guided Missile frigate (FFG)
This was to have been a far more capable and lengthened variant of the US Oliver Hazard Perry Class FFG.
I am after information on this design and program – specifications, drawings and (photos if any)

Regards
Pioneer

One of the biggest problems with the OHaP design is stress cracking of the superstructure. Lengthening the design would only exacerbate this. Incidently this problem also makes the design marginal for RAN patrols in the Southern Ocean.