Did Kievs carry SS-N-12 reloads. . .

Thanks 🙂 BTW there’s a Slava there on Google Earth. No crane with a missiles on it next to it though 😉

Sevastopol (It’s Moskva and the crane is Black Sea Fleet one)

Where is this taking place BTW? (Wanting to Google Earth it)

Unfortunately, as always, the Russians are stuck on such things. The crane used for the reloading can only take one missile at the time, but that same crane is used for lifting ALL the heavy stuff in port, which means a logistical nightmare and quite a busy schedule for the crane.
here the same crane is used to take off the radar from Kerch:

My own experience of soviet military hardware is bit diffrent as we used to notice that every single little bult and buckle had it’s own dedicated opener or screwchanger which wasen’t adoptable to used in other bults. It was enormously frustrating and you can imagine what happens when one of the openers is gone missing…

…So perhpas someone has complained this default to his local commisar, he took the matter above his and finally it reached to some minor branch of the central committe of military affairs which decided to set a evaluation to test new “revolutionary in logistical affairs” doctrine in the shape of that particular crane…poor ****** 🙁 😉

Such a big missile, such an easy target for a SM 2 missile?

It might not be the most difficult target out there but it’s warhead is big enough that it becomes CRUICAL that you kill it.

Such a big missile, such an easy target for a SM 2 missile?

Well as you can see I did what you suggested Mr. Sealord sir!!! Bit confused over your idea of peace, as this site says “Detente” was a “relaxation”…or in my words instead of squaring up to each other they started talking but still didn’t trust each other and were still thinking WWIII was around the corner…not exactly what I would describe as peace!!!

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/detente.htm

So sould the Soviets still have armed their warships with nuke missiles during the period of “Detente”??? Well yeah by the looks of it…

Peace is the absence of violent war, there was no direct violent war between the Soviet Union and NATO.

I guess it would kinda make sense during the Cold War to keep a certain amount of nuclear tipped missiles on your warships just in case the s*** hit the fan, after all was there really such a thing as “peace time” during the Cold War???

The US had some nuclear Talos, Terrier, Subroc, ASROC, and some nuclear Tomahawks and of course nuclear bombs on carriers but Talos, Terrier, and Subroc have been retired. There are no nuclear Standards (a warhead was in the process of being developed but was cancelled) and TLAM-Ns have all been pulled from the fleet and last I heard converted to conventional Tomahawks. I’d be surprised if there are an nuclear ASROCs out there and for all I know they’ve even pulled the nukes from the carriers but THAT would surprise me. But back in the day just about everything had a nuclear version either in service or on the drawing boards. There was a nuclear Condor considered, nuclear Maverick, hell at one point even a nuclear Sparrow was considered.

Well as you can see I did what you suggested Mr. Sealord sir!!! Bit confused over your idea of peace, as this site says “Detente” was a “relaxation”…or in my words instead of squaring up to each other they started talking but still didn’t trust each other and were still thinking WWIII was around the corner…not exactly what I would describe as peace!!!

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/detente.htm

So sould the Soviets still have armed their warships with nuke missiles during the period of “Detente”??? Well yeah by the looks of it…

I guess it would kinda make sense during the Cold War to keep a certain amount of nuclear tipped missiles on your warships just in case the s*** hit the fan, after all was there really such a thing as “peace time” during the Cold War???

Yes there was. Try doing some research on cold war history, paticuarly look up ‘Detente’.

I guess it would kinda make sense during the Cold War to keep a certain amount of nuclear tipped missiles on your warships just in case the s*** hit the fan, after all was there really such a thing as “peace time” during the Cold War???

Unfortunately, as always, the Russians are stuck on such things. The crane used for the reloading can only take one missile at the time, but that same crane is used for lifting ALL the heavy stuff in port, which means a logistical nightmare and quite a busy schedule for the crane.
here the same crane is used to take off the radar from Kerch:

Hi
I believe the SS-N-12 could carry a nuclear warhead, does anyone have any information on how many would have been carried, both in the launchers and how many of the reloads would have been armed with nuclear warheads? Almost all of the Soviet anti-shipping missiles could be nuclear armed, was it Soviet practice for nuclear armed missiles to be carried during peace time?

Thanks in advance.

Goddamn that thing isn’t very big is it? 🙂

snake65 is right.Here is the real missile.

reloading on Moscow

and here you can see the crane used for reloading.

http://forums.airbase.ru/attachment.php?item=26550&download=1

Great forum thanks 4 all info

Picture above is a dummy Sandbox.

@ Rails:
Those were not only used for mines, also for heavy maintainance equipment.
As far as I understand, the Kievs had NO reloads for the P-500.
The rails on the Kievs were used for loading in harbor plus maintainance.

The thingy above is nothing even close to a Bazalt (Sandbox) missile. See pic for the real thing. As I said in a post earlier, three first Project 1143 had 8 missiles in launch containers and 8 reloads in a storage room below deck. Although Gorshkov, the fourth ship of Project 1143, or as Russians refer to her Project 1143.4, doesn’t have reloads trading them for 12 missiles in ready to launch containers, the loading equipment was still used for easier loading of missiles into containers.
Most of the rails on Soviet/Russian ships were used for moving around of torpedoes and other heavy equipment while replenishing at sea from ships like “Berezina” complex replenishment ship (Project 1883).

Picture above is a dummy Sandbox.

@ Rails:
Those were not only used for mines, also for heavy maintainance equipment.
As far as I understand, the Kievs had NO reloads for the P-500.
The rails on the Kievs were used for loading in harbor plus maintainance.

Here’s a better shot. By the way, what missile is this?