Request for pics of swedish destroyers converted to frigates….

Have You seen this:
http://www.geocities.com/johannes_lindstroem/HMS-Halland/

THese look very similar to the Dutch navy’s Friesland and Holland class destroyers, which ended their days in service with the Peruvian navy..

😀 Keep them comming

I’ve often wondered (among many other things 😉 ) why didn’t we build few similar size destroyers in the 30’s? All that we did was the two giants (from our perspective) Ilmarinen and Vainamoinen amoured coastalbattle ships and few submarines. In the actual war the coastalbattleships prooved to be quite useless as we where too afraid of using them exspecially after when Ilmarinen sanked. But few ~100m destroyers would have fit perfectly to the fleet and freeing the old imperial era sloops to more suitable backline dutyes…

…But as usual we just have to seddle for envying the neighbour so how about some nice pics of swedish cruisers and coastal battleships 🙂 ???

Magic info Pap Lima.

They strongly resemble (minus the helo) the conversions of the Royal Australian Navy’s Q class destroyers into ASW frigates post war.

Many thanks

Unicorn

and finally . . .

5. Visby 1953
6. Hälsingborg as a frigate
7. Sundsvall 1950
8. Hälsingborg 1943 on trials
9. Firing arcs diagram
10. Karlskrona

Sources: “Från Ingegerd till Visby” (pencil sketches) by Bengt Forssbeck
“Jagare” by Borgenstam/Insulander/Kaudern
“Örlogsfartyg” by von Hofsten/Waernberg
This last book is fantastic and I must get a copy of my own! 321 pages of everything you will ever need to know about engine-powered ships in the Swedish Navy.

A bit more (very freely) translated from the “Jagare” book:
“The 1956 parliament voted in a new-building plan which included adding two destroyers of the modified Halland type. Funds were also voted in for these in 1957. Machinery, gun turrest, etc. were ordered but a majority Social Democratic party proposal for defence reorganisation came out in 1958. This dramatically reduced the Swedish Navy’s role in favour of the Air Force, which with strike aircraft was considered capable of replacing many of the Navy’s tasks.
This brought the 1956 plans to a dead stop. Although the shipyards were ordered to try to sell the assembled machinery, they could not and the cancellations were very expensive in compensation. This was the end for the Swedish frigates and destroyers.

There isen’t good enough smileys to show my thankfulness so i seddle for words, Thank you, Tack, Kiitos! 🙂 🙂

Where there any serious toughs in the Sweden navy to field some new frigate/destroyer design in the 60’s or 70’s??

Swedish frigate Visby

A few pix to slake your thirst!
1. Visby in 1966, with the earlier 12 cm guns replaced by two 57 mm anti-aircraft guns and a quad mortar. New radar for fire control in its “egg”.
2. Visby again with its helicopter platform.
3. Visby 1943 version as a destroyer.
4. Visby 1966 version as a frigate.
Satisfied?
More later!

A bit of text for you, pix later . . .
“When around 1960 the city class destroyers could no longer be classed as such, several – Malmö, Karlskrona and Gävle – were rebuilt as frigates. This meant removing the torpedo equipment to be replaced by two antisubmarine mortars and larger mortar storage facilities on the main deck. Somewhat later, the modified city destroyers were rebuilt, and Visby and Sundsvall were radically altered. All the guns and torpedo equipment were taken on shore. Instead were fitted two new 57 mm automatic cannons, one on the stern and one on the after deck. A new radar fire control system with its antenna in an egg-shaped dome was installed, from Hollandse Signaalapparaten. This was the first to use digital principles. A four-barrel Bofors antisubmarine mortar was put on to the front edge of the rear bridge. At the rear of this bridge a small helicopter platform was installed. New search radar and a new Dutch type hydrophone were fitted. Kalmar and Häslingland received a more limited face-lift. New search radar was installed and the old m/36 40 mm cannons were replaced by remote controlled m/48s. These guns required more deck space, so the torpedo arrangements were changed. The fore triple tube installation was removed and that at the stern extended to 5 tubes.”

Nice… 😀

Just borrowed the “Jägare” book from Göteborgs Stadsbibliotek, will scan some pix as soon as I get time (might be a few days!). Found a couple of other books, too.

Thanks…tough I’m propaply not coming to Göteborg any time near (our company’s football betting has main prize of two tickets to the European championship games in august, but my position is somewhere near 1000…so I just have to seddle for internet…

But thanks for the pics and sites (tough none where actually what i asked) The swedish navy (exspecially the old) is very interesting and I’ve often wondered and teased my mind what would it have been if our neighbours wouldn’t gone to the road of running down the most impressive baltic fleets of the post WWII era…

Perhpas we could dedicated this thread to the old might of swedish navy??

First edition. http://www.ub.gu.se/

Regards,

Jan

Gollevainen and Papa Lima,

Re Swedish destroyers, the book Jagare; med Svenska flottans jagare under 80 år (Destroyers; with the Swedish Navy’s destroyers during 80 years) originally issued in 1989, second edition in 2002, should contain relevant photos and information. The authors are; Curt Borgenstam, Per Insulander and Gösta Kaudern.

According to Libris, a copy (don’t know which edition) is available at the Gothenburg University Library, shelf ÖM S 90/26.

Regards,

Jan

snake65 – your link seems to go to an unfinished web site, with the interesting part (History) only existing as a heading!
Ja – your link concerns Swedish battleships and cruisers, dating from well before Gollevainen’s query.
I may get to the library here in Gothenburg today or tomorrow and see what there is concerning the postwar destroyers . . .

Don’t know if this is any help mate but perhaps Papa Lima might help out Various Swedish Ships. Still it is interesting, especially the pic of the ship’s aft with the Swedish royal crest adorning the rear bulkhead.

Have You seen this:
http://www.geocities.com/johannes_lindstroem/HMS-Halland/