Chirac orders ‘toxic’ ship home
By: Arabella-Cox - 21st February 2006 at 19:35
PErhaps we are waiting for a rogue wave 🙂
You are not the first one to suggest that… lol
By: Archibaald - 21st February 2006 at 15:01
I had launch a thread about that ridiculous story, here
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=53780
By: Archibaald - 21st February 2006 at 14:59
Just imagine an enormous storm sunk the ship near south africa… :p :p :p
By: glitter - 21st February 2006 at 13:03
France sold a more or less asbestos-free Foch to Brazil.
About the Clemenceau sold to India, for what I know, and that nobody can denied, is that France has promised very good condition of work nad I don’t speak of the technical knowledge that the company could gain.
Is it right that they are going to tow her back the long way via the Cape rather than through Suez ? Didn’t she go out via Suez ?
The clem will come back via South Africa.
PErhaps we are waiting for a rogue wave 🙂
By: Super Nimrod - 21st February 2006 at 12:33
Ah, but by that stage most ships are owned by anonymous small time operators flagged out of Liberia or similar, and are not such easy targets for the environmentalists as a nice fat government that is reluctantly forced to demonstrate that it has a conscience.
By: tomcat1974 - 21st February 2006 at 07:59
for **** sakes they dismantle worst ships than that at Alang.
By: Bager1968 - 21st February 2006 at 07:22
Yes, but the Egyptian government delayed them passing through, and might not let them go back!
By: Super Nimrod - 20th February 2006 at 08:00
Is it right that they are going to tow her back the long way via the Cape rather than through Suez ? Didn’t she go out via Suez ?
By: indianbond4u - 18th February 2006 at 05:17
I told you, money is once again the answer. In the West it costs you about $100mlln or more to dismantle a ship of Asbestos alone, then you still have to add the price of the scrapping itself.
If you send it to a cheap yard in India, without really mentioning all the dangers, you get it scrapped much much cheaper.
The high price of asbestos removal is caused by the use of special equipment and risk fees you have to pay to those workers. In India, they simply don’t have such equipment or protection. If one of the workers dies, than they consider that the risk of the job.
The ship was bought for Rs 40cr, it comes to around 8-10M USD. Human life is so cheap here.
By: Arabella-Cox - 18th February 2006 at 03:01
Correct me if I am wrong but didn’t the Brazilians buy the two carriers for US$12M and one was Stripped of all decent equipment in order to keep the other afloat for at least 20 years?
The only bought the one, but were allowed to strip the other as part of the deal.
By: Ja Worsley - 18th February 2006 at 02:52
Correct me if I am wrong but didn’t the Brazilians buy the two carriers for US$12M and one was Stripped of all decent equipment in order to keep the other afloat for at least 20 years?
By: Arabella-Cox - 17th February 2006 at 21:36
Does the Foch have the same Amount of asbestos as does the Clemenceau??
I would imagine so, but it doesn’t belong to France anymore.
By: J33Nelson - 17th February 2006 at 20:26
Does the Foch have the same Amount of asbestos as does the Clemenceau??
By: Arabella-Cox - 17th February 2006 at 18:31
Does this mean that France has to take Foch back from Brazil???
Why? Brazil bought her.
By: WisePanda - 17th February 2006 at 03:57
you are right Tinwing, the extent of scrap steel recovered has come down from 30 mil tons to 3 mil tons. perhaps in a few decades the ecological damage will be undone by the forces of nature on that 50km of coast.
By: J33Nelson - 17th February 2006 at 02:47
Foch
Does this mean that France has to take Foch back from Brazil???
By: TinWing - 17th February 2006 at 02:19
on average 1 worker a day dies in Alang. semi literates with no training are given welding tools and rough directions on how to cut up large ships. many deaths are from sections collapsing prematurely due to improper sequencing, gas cylinders blowing up or people without safety harnesses working on internal structures 20m above the deck or bottom of hold.
I have seen the films…its a hell on earth.
Forget about Alang.
The ship breaking business is finished in India – killed by regulation and increasing wage scales.
Only 15 out of 173 available plots at Alang are currently occupied.
By: Super Nimrod - 16th February 2006 at 18:53
Merlock, There has been a similar row in the UK about us breaking up USN ships. At one point the ships changed direction several times in mid Atlantic as the politicos and environmentalists decided no, then yes, then no, then yes, then no. I lost track of what hapened in the end.
By: WisePanda - 16th February 2006 at 12:59
on average 1 worker a day dies in Alang. semi literates with no training are given welding tools and rough directions on how to cut up large ships. many deaths are from sections collapsing prematurely due to improper sequencing, gas cylinders blowing up or people without safety harnesses working on internal structures 20m above the deck or bottom of hold.
I have seen the films…its a hell on earth.
By: Merlock - 16th February 2006 at 10:34
Classic fudge. And I thought only we Brits did such things 😀
When have the Brits done that ? :confused:
Question is, why didn’t the French just dismantle it themselves? I thought French ports were fairly well equipped generally – or is it that they’re not for this kind of operation? Anyway sending it around to the other side of the world was rather daft.
Money: France could dismantle the ship, but for a far higher price than what an Indian port could do.
At least that what was believed. Now, I’d be VERY curious to know about the REAL cost of this fiasco, both in term of money (easy!) and in terms of political cost…
Next time, maybe our beloved piliticans will take a hint… And Santa Claus does actually exist… :rolleyes:
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