Viking submarines not to leave drawing board

fy faen!

I’m sure he had nothing to do with it… 😉

there goes the chance of building a unified Scandanavian weapon.. now the loserly Western and Southern Europeans will continue to mock us.

You do know that Norway pulled out years ago?

Cliff: mate I wasn’t getting at you at all (sorry if it sounded as such), I just wanted to keep the perspective going in the right direction.

The Prop issue was a huge thing that was covered up, the Swedes didn’t want the US having the info because it is actually Russian based technology.

fy faen!, there goes the chance of building a unified Scandanavian weapon.. now the loserly Western and Southern Europeans will continue to mock us.

flummig mongo..

Cliff: Mate to bust your bubble a little (and appoligies before hand), but tyhey also designed the Type 417 aka Collins Class. Australia had planned on fitting the Sterling AIP system to the subs but the budget for that and the Vertical launch tubes was blown out by the problems incurred in the design.

Kockums has recently been in court over the fiasco and have been force to pay back a huge sum for design flaws and company oversights.

I knew you were going at me for those Collins! 😀

To be serious mate, I think the worst problems those submarines have experienced is the kindergarten style Kockums and Australian common wealth have discussed the issues in. Most obvious thing is that both parties solves these issues at court instead of sitting down with a nice cup of coffee discussing it at the Australian Submarine Corporation.

As a sidenote to the comment about Kockums being dragged into court – it gets even worse, I reckon Kockum dragging Australian common wealth into court for having sent parts of the propulsion system (propeller?) to USA for ‘redesign’. A case that they actually won. So, it really is kindergarten…

regards,
Cliff

Cliff: Mate to bust your bubble a little (and appoligies before hand), but tyhey also designed the Type 417 aka Collins Class. Australia had planned on fitting the Sterling AIP system to the subs but the budget for that and the Vertical launch tubes was blown out by the problems incurred in the design.

Kockums has recently been in court over the fiasco and have been force to pay back a huge sum for design flaws and company oversights.

Forget about U212 and U214. The newest submarine Kockums built is the Gotland class (A19) from mid 90’s – being the first AIP submarine operative and definetely on par with what their german colleagues have produced. So it would make more sense to just build a couple of Gotland class submarines in that case.

What I meant was that the company that actually build U212 and U214 also happens to own Kockums, who builds the A17 and A19 class. Both companies are very potent players in the AIP technology with two different approaches. Therefore, I think it could be interesting to see a joint design intended to replace their older designs in ten years.

Maybe Sweden will opt for the U212 or U214 (or a derivative of those designs).

Doubtful, Kockums is still a very potent player in the Submarine industry and they have a new design (A-21 I think it is- but don’t quote me on that, I’ve also heard mention of Project 2115). Either way Swedens self reliability to produce it’s own weapons will always remain embeded in their culture even if they suppliment it with other Machines from outside their borders.

U212 is a good option. with licensed construction in sweden. norway is facing the artic, methinks they need a SSN force to be really effective (and safe) under the ice. :diablo: a tieup with UK for Astute2 boats is it.

Actually it didn’t. They carried on even after the danes left …

A chicken continues to move for a while after you cut off its head.

If the blue parties would have been in charge they would have revised the design to make it better suited for specific swedish needs.

According to a Swedish acquaintance that is more or less what has happened. A project called A26 will use the experience from Viking to design a submarine with a later construction phase in mind.

The smartest move would be to have a little chat with ze germans, especially since Kockums is a part of german GSC.

Maybe Sweden will opt for the U212 or U214 (or a derivative of those designs).

—–JT—–

The programme died when Denmark left (perhaps even when Norway left). The political colour(s) of the Swedish government that has to realise this is irrelevant.

Actually it didn’t. They carried on even after the danes left – but I do agree that sitting on a design influenced by specific norwegian and danish needs when the only customer is supposed to be Sweden is not a good thing.

If the blue parties would have been in charge they would have revised the design to make it better suited for specific swedish needs. The oldest swedish submarines are over 15 years old, so they need to be replaced in the coming 5-10 years if they want a modern submarine fleet. Sure thing, you could upgrade bits and pieces of it, but who wants to drive a Volvo 240 in the year of 2010? 😮

The smartest move would be to have a little chat with ze germans, especially since Kockums is a part of german GSC.

The programme died when Denmark left (perhaps even when Norway left). The political colour(s) of the Swedish government that has to realise this is irrelevant.