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Sea Power June2005
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3738/is_200506/ai_n13644061

Boeing Eyes High-Flying Torpedo
Sea Power, Jun 2005 by Burgess, Richard R

Boeing Integrated Defense Systems is proposing a new weapon that would enable subhunting aircraft to fire at targets from high altitudes, reducing the time between target acquisition and attack.

Steven L. Wingfield, manager of JDAM Business Development for the Boeing unit, said the proposed antisubmarine warfare (ASW) weapon for the High-Altitude ASW Weapon Concept (HAAWC), would be launched from the P-8A Multimission Maritime Aircraft (MMA) at an altitude of 30,000 feet and glide seven to 10 minutes to the water entry point, where it would shed its wings and activate a parachute to lower the torpedo into the water to begin its run toward the target.

Currently, ASW aircraft such as the P-3 have to make a time-consuming descent from their surveillance altitudes of 30,000 feet to a release altitude of 300-1,000 feet and release a torpedo, Wingfield said. “That descent down to the release point and then the climb back up to surveillance altitude uses a lot of [fuel], reducing orbit and surveillance time. While you are climbing, (it) reduces your ability to survive, as well.”

The HAAWC would enable the P-8 to launch the weapon from a high altitude based on targeting information generated by its own sensors or the sensors of other platforms. This would save time in deploying a weapon, and obviate the need for the aircraft or other ASW platforms to enter threat zones.

“I don’t know what the descent rate of MMA will be,” said Steve Morrow, Boeing’s manager for advanced development of naval weapons, “but it’s intuitive that we can probably get a torpedo down from altitude faster than you can get the airplane down.” That would be an advantage in “a fast-reaction attack based on a pop-up radar contact of a periscope,” he said.

Wingfield said the HAAWC proposal is a derivative of the new Mk 54 antisubmarine torpedo that entered service in 2004. The Mk 54 is an all-digital lightweight torpedo that marries technology from the older Mk 46 and Mk 50 air- and surface-launched torpedoes with advanced software algorithms from the large submarine-launched Mk 48 torpedo.

Stephen G. Sherrick, manager of business development for Boeing Integrated Defense Systems, said that last fall “one of the Mk 54 torpedo guys asked us, ‘Hey, can you put a wing on that thing and guide it for us?'”

The HAAWC comprises parts from other munitions. An Mk 54 would be fitted with the wings designed for a Standoff Land-Attack Missile-Expanded Response cruise missile to enable it to glide to the target area. The tail assembly would include the guidance kit designed for the Joint Direct-Attack Munition, which contains a Global Positioning System receiver for precision guidance.

The HAAWC also could be equipped with a data link to transmit target position updates while the weapon is in flight, further improving the weapon’s accuracy, Wingfield said.

The HAAWC concept, with its standoff capability, may offer tactical collateral advantages to offset some of those submarines have in the cat-and-mouse game of ASW. When running silent underwater, a submarine’s sensitive hull-mounted or towed-array hydrophones can detect a helicopter or patrol plane as it flies overhead. In addition, an attack on hostile submarines operating in the vicinity of enemy air-defense ships or shore-based air-defense networks currently would put the attacking aircraft at risk.

Boeing “has provided NAVSEA (Naval Sea Systems Command) and the Naval Air Systems Command with a technical feasibility assessment and a [rough] cost assessment to conduct a high-altitude ASW weapon concept demonstration,” Morrow said. The information was provided at the request of those commands, he said.

Spokespeople for the two systems commands and the Naval Undersea Warfare Center declined comment on the HAAWC because it is not a program of record.
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By RICHARD R. BURGESS, Managing Editor

Copyright Navy League of the United States Jun 2005
Provided by ProQuest Information and Learning Company. All rights Reserved

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By: legolas - 20th September 2005 at 19:42

I hope all the UAV’s just die down. Damn those bats. I hate the way in which aviation is moving.

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By: phrozenflame - 20th September 2005 at 15:01

bit relevant to the topic…are their missiles like which hover over the surface of the sea….like cruise missiles..and then dive into the water and hit target underwater…more like cruise-torpedo kind of mix….?

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By: Arabella-Cox - 19th September 2005 at 03:44

Did I miss something?

lol, for a minute there i thought Ja became a fat panda… 😀 😮 😀

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By: wd1 - 18th September 2005 at 11:57

i’m not sure you can use a Global Hawk for fixed-wing ASW, or any form of strike for that matter that would involve the UAV toting weapons. it’ll have to go down low to do MAD search and drop sonobuoys (unless they develop a high-altitude-deployment sonobuoy as well) and you are crazy to send the big delicate Global Hawk down low.

the suggestion above was for smaller, low-altitude-optimised UAVs to do FLIR and MAD search while the P-8A stays up high.

as for deploying any weapons on a Global Hawk at all, my understanding is that it is a HALE aircraft in the mould of an E-3 and TR-1, which never carry weapons at all but simply find and locate targets for other agencies eg. strike fighters to kill. what’s new about the GH that people are thinking of arming it?

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By: Ja Worsley - 17th September 2005 at 09:41

Ja, the UAV thing is the great unknown.

Did I miss something?

Anyway now that I have read this article I feel that it should be known that the RAAF is looking at an armed version of the Global Hawk for our use. From what I can understand, we are looking at two semi recessed weapons under the wing roots, but that’s all I know.

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By: Distiller - 13th September 2005 at 18:10

Ja, the UAV thing is the great unknown. I too think that UAVs will take over all missions in say 15 to 20 years except what one could call the “highly flexible multirole assault-fighter mission”. War of the machines when hightech meets hightech. With massive problems when hightech is confronted with sling and stone. Nothing will ever replace the good old hand to hand throat-cutting of the infantry.

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By: WisePanda - 13th September 2005 at 08:22

the vision I see if P8 at 20kft doing ESM and periodic LPI radar sweeps.
parachute deployed sonobuoys with selective remote on/off facility that can ‘sown’ and kept silent until needed by the operator.
a couple of high endurance UAVs equipped with MAD sensors that fly low over the ocean
doing the MAD thing. they have air-to-air docking with the mothership when job is over.

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By: Distiller - 13th September 2005 at 07:57

Needs to work if P-8A is to work.
Plus what also needs to work is that GPS-enhanced sonobuoy.

I don’t know where that writer got the idea that the Orion does its work at 30000ft. The P-3C does its job only a couple of hundred meters above the water.

There was an article about that in Sea Power Magazine a month or two ago.

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