What's happening in Malaysia???

Thanks mate

Are there any pics around of them sitting there?

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Are there any pics around of them sitting there?

the two boats been there since before Malaysia ordered the scorpene. It is believe to court Malaysian Navy to purchase dutch sub with this two boats as a training one. Since now Malaysia is acquiring the scorpene and agosta 70B, the ex-dutch boats just sitting there at PSC-ND at Lumut, Malaysia.

Thanks guys, that is a long time for boats to be inactive and that’s not good, personally these two boats would be good as training subs only now.

Especially if you consider the climate. Deterioration would have been less in Northern Europe, I think.

Thanks guys, that is a long time for boats to be inactive and that’s not good, personally these two boats would be good as training subs only now.

Jane’s Brief

Judge orders ex-Dutch subs in Malaysia to be dismantled
A Dutch court has ordered RDM Technology Holding BV to dismantle two RNLN Zwaardvis-class submarines
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How many are in Malaysia, how long have they been there and what were they doing there in the first place? I thought that all these subs went to Taiwan as Hi Lungs

And why has a court ruling had to be made on these subs?

Taiwan ordered and received just 2 SSK from the Netherlands.

from JDW 31/8/2005

Judge orders ex-Dutch subs in Malaysia to be dismantled
JORIS JANSSEN LOK JDW Special Correspondent
The Hague
* A Dutch court has ordered RDM Technology Holding BV to dismantle two RNLN Zwaardvis-class submarines
* The Dutch want to prevent certain components falling into unauthorised hands
A Dutch court on 17 August ordered RDM Technology Holding BV to begin dismantling two ex-Royal Netherlands Navy (RNLN) Zwaardvis-class submarines before 1 October.
Alternatively, the company must return the boats, which have been laid up in Malaysia since December 2000, to the Netherlands by 1 November.. Penalty for non-compliance has been set at EUR100,000 (USD122,000) per day to a maximum of EUR25 million.
The court order followed a case brought forward by the Netherlands Ministry of Defence (MoD), which had become increasingly concerned about what was going to happen with the submarines, considered to be strategic military goods.
The two submarines, the former HrMs Zwaardvis and HrMs Tijgerhaai, were sold by the Netherlands government to the former RDM Submarines (which went into receivership in 2004) in 1995.
At the time, RDM was campaigning to lease the Zwaardvis-class boats to Malaysia for training purposes in a package deal that would also have included the sale of new Moray-class submarines.
As part of this effort, RDM in 2000 shipped the two submarines to PSC-Naval Dockyard Sdn Bhd in Lumut, Malaysia, to have them positioned close to the customer, thereby increasing its chances of winning the contract.
However, Malaysia selected a competing French offer instead, ordering two Scorpene submarines (currently being built by DCN and Navantia) in 2002.
The Netherlands MoD had specific concerns that the Lumut shipyard could try to recoup some of the money it was owed by the defunct RDM Submarines by selling the submarines to a third party.
“We want to prevent certain components, such as the weapon launching tubes or sensors, falling into unauthorised hands,” the MoD said.
RDM Submarines owes PSC-Naval Dockyard money for maintaining the submarines during the almost five years that they have been in Malaysia.
The two Zwaardvis-class submarines are now more than 30 years old, but at the time of their arrival in Malaysia they were still considered capable.
JDW was on board what was then HrMs Tijgerhaai in 1995, when the boat was simulating a Kilo-class submarine armed with wake-homing torpedoes, during NATO exercises off southern England.
At the time, the submarine escaped detection by anti-submarine warfare helicopters by hiding on top of a wreck site and subsequently successfully attacked the UK auxiliary ships RFA Black Rover and Sir Tristram and their escorting Portuguese and UK surface combatants NRP Corte Real, HMS Southampton and HMS Chatham.
Tijgerhaai’s commanding officer at the time said that “this showed the effect that a relatively cheap diesel-electric submarine can have on a naval force worth over a billion dollars”.
He said that the strong points of the Zwaardvis-class include quality of life on board; long endurance (six-week patrols were routine); full capability to operate in tropical waters; and good maintainability. “From a platform point of view, the boats easily have a 15-year lifetime remaining,” it was said.
It is believed, however, that the technical state of the submarines has deteriorated during their long period of inactivity.