Disturbing news

I have lost the link.

Oooo please enlighten us mate, you’ve got my interest now!

back before WWI a guy was building a sub in Sydney (right out on the harbour) and was known as a radical. He had proclaimed that when war came he’d use his sub to sink many Australian units. Sadly he was locked away and died in prison but the sub was almost complete, it was tied up for many years but all records of it have now been lost. I’d be interested in finding out what happened to it.

You should look on the bright side. I have seen pictures of Danish submarines that a civilian is building. We are talking quite advanced stuff here. Does anyone know about it?

Dob: that’s correct mate they were one of the first with them. I can’t believe that they are giving up on a 90 year tradition! Very bad show!

Denmark has had a long tradition in submarine operations, I am not sure but I think the danes were among the first in Europe in operating submarines. During the cold war a strong submarine force was necesary to protect the baltic pass from soviet amphibious forces that could strike in the event of war, the north of Germany. But now the baltic republics are part of Nato too, so these is no longer a need for a submarine force. Although to keep one or two small subs for training is not so bad idea, just to keep the tradition.

As for NATO asking Denmark to focus on Sealift, that’s ********… An organisation can not ask a government to focus on one area that may or may not be lacking.

Asking isn’t the same as ordering.

Mix: Mate what about Greenland and the Fareos??? They are Danish territory, should these come under threat what’s going to be left to protect them?

The Royal Norwegian Navy… which of course is the navy of the real owner of these territories.

Sorry Dan, as an old Submarinar I find it hard for any one to want to delete this service from their fold. What you say is of course right and perhaps the Danes might even consider a Multirole vessel like what New Zealand is getting. Old loves die hard!!!

Yeah it is a bit sad to see the end of a service. Still while the Euro’s may be shedding capabilities we can console ourselves with Singapore and Malaysia adding a submarine service 🙂

Daniel

Sorry Dan, as an old Submarinar I find it hard for any one to want to delete this service from their fold. What you say is of course right and perhaps the Danes might even consider a Multirole vessel like what New Zealand is getting. Old loves die hard!!!

Mix: Mate what about Greenland and the Fareos??? They are Danish territory, should these come under threat what’s going to be left to protect them?

Ja look at a map mate. Those territories extend to the other side of the North Atlantic and as was mentioned the Greenland coastline is about equal to the distance around the equator. Two small submarines are not going to ‘protect’ those territories (you won’t even have two operational for a good portion of thier service lives). Small nations just can’t afford to have every capability these days. The Danes have the luxury of NATO and also some EU interaction. The Only real dispute over thier territories is with Canada and I just don’t see that one going hot. More sealift allows much better visible support for the territories and is much more useful in the activities other than war that most militaries find themselves participating in today.

Daniel

Well, Canada could be intrested 😉

> to protect them ?

all of NATO.

and btw who will invade Greenland and Faroes ? realistically only a USSR-mk2

Mix: Mate what about Greenland and the Fareos??? They are Danish territory, should these come under threat what’s going to be left to protect them?

An SSKs main use is coastal defence. And lets be honest, what kind of threat is Denmark facing in its waters? In this world of globalisation it has become much more important to project your strenth in far away places. With some sizeable surface ships, foriegn nations might even become aware that Denmark has a military.

Well in any case it is a very bad move indeed and yes I read about the defence Ministers actions, It’s reported that he was undermining the service from within, which is why he never showed up.

Personally I would have kept the Naken and bought a second (or lease as the case may be). As for NATO asking Denmark to focus on Sealift, that’s ********… An organisation can not ask a government to focus on one area that may or may not be lacking. NATO has no authority to cancel a countries defence no mater who is in the group and what they promise!

NATO asked Denmark to focus on sealift instead of submarines. So, the two new flexible support ships are in effect the submarine replacement.

I read in the internet that the Danes were thinking of donating one of the subs to Bulgaria…. I would be a “NATO welcome gift”…

Any news on that

Getting rid of one of your service arms is never good.

They should have at least keept one or 2 subs operational for the Submarine training school, so they don´t loose the skill if they ever wouñld need subs again.

IMO: BIG MISTAKE

Its the trade off their navy made with their DoD for getting 5 large new surface ships. I think the subs will be or have already been sold.

I’ve just been reading that Denmark have retired their entire Submarine fleet, can anyone confirm this, Terran?

Yes, the last submarine was retired couple of months ago. The Defence Minister didn’t even bother to appear on the decommissioning ceremony, and received lot of flak when he made the comment on the lines ‘I do not need to appear in every ceremony where just some equipment is being decommissioned.’