Likewise, the announcement this weekend that the UK will construct new T45 Destroyers with Windows 2000 as the main operating system in a complete joke. More worrying is the idea of running nuclear submarines on such a system, a fault or bug is no excuse for accidental missile launch.
Not only has the number of T45s been cut from 14 to 6 possibly 8 at best, the government is now forcing through cost cutting drives that will essentially mean britain’s navy will become nothing more than a coastal defence force at best.
And probably all the ships to be built will have to be put back in dry dock whilst new systems that actually work can be fitted. Probably at twice the cost, but there again, this happens all the time.
I suspect likewise the same problems with the proposed CVF, and i say proposed… the government insists the programme will go ahead, and i suspect it will, but the lack of realism and ignorance from the treasury on actual costs of the new CVFs is laughable. Not only will there be no E2C AEW, No EA6Bs, at best, 20-30 F35s, a handful of helos.
I am a strong believer in spending top dollar for top equipment, Since Winston Churchill passed away Britain’s defence forces have been savagely hacked to an impotence. And the current government has made sure that it has put them down even further.
When Labour first came to power they insisted without knowing anything about Type22 frigates, to axe 5 immediately in 1997? How naive.
Now the RN faces shortfalls, in ships and manpower, and most disgraceful of all the treasury will not pay for the fuel for ships to celebrate the 200th anniversary of the battle of Trafalgar. Absolutely terrible, Nelson would be turning in his grave.
By: Indian1973 - 13th October 2004 at 16:41
I have heard apple didnt have ECC protection for the RAMs on their Mac machines until quite lately. this is the kind of failure or hard disk failures that are more likely to kill a ship at critical moments.
people think highly of Unix machines but thats because they dont
themselves have to install the patches that come along. a friend
who owns one of every type of machine says Sun issues a patch a day on the average just like MSFT. and my Ultra10 needs a periodic reboot too.
By: koxinga - 13th October 2004 at 14:22
Take it from me the problem is overstated, IMO. If the system is a closed design, it can be tested extensively and most importantly, only essential services run.
You are more likely to encounter harddisk corruptions as a result of using COT harddisk. (something that can be solved by using SSDs)
By: INFINITY - 13th October 2004 at 06:57
Haven’t used Server 2003 (Crack ain’t working :rolleyes: ). But heard its very good.
I have got Win 2003 at home.
Its funny everytime you have to give reason for shutting down ur System !!! :confused: :p
Regds
Infinity
By: dreadnought - 12th October 2004 at 07:47
2000 is not stable, the core has too manny loops and instabilities to be used in a combat system, we use it only for non sensitive/reliable things, but all servers here are unix/linux
i don’t see why OS X couldn’t have been used, it doesn’t crash,never seen one go down yet, unlike w2K.
owel look at teh bright side a new vacancy will come on each ship, a “reboot officer” and a “bluescreen wiper”
By: Hyperwarp - 11th October 2004 at 18:06
They want a nice GUI? Why not go for OS X 😀 😎 and how often does that crash 😀 ( Does it ever crash? :confused: )
But, I have to admit the Win2K I use at our institute is doing pretty ok. Fairly stable. My XP Pro (Pirated Edition :diablo: ) at home is also doing ok.
Haven’t used Server 2003 (Crack ain’t working :rolleyes: ). But heard its very good.
By: Indian1973 - 11th October 2004 at 16:43
Win2K is based on NT which is based on the Mach microkernel OS and other unix-ish derivatives ? I believe MSFT paid top dollar to get the initial set of experienced unix engineers who crafted WinNT. Rick rashid is now their head of R&D. thats very unlike MSFT who prefer to recruit raw but bright uber-geeks from college…maybe 75-80% of their engineers are < 4 yrs exp thats
what I read in a book yesterday.
I have found it fairly “stable” in terms of crashes. Ships control systems will have lots of little dedicated computers doing a few things each, so load etc. is not a huge problem. redundancy both in sw and hw will certainly be implemented. and one has to admit
Win provides a wider and easier set of development tools to
implement GUI type applications for the C3I room etc. the
operators can even play Quake when spare cycles are available 😉
the industry doesnt seem to have a high opinion of Windows CE
which is the MSFT offering for embedded devices.
By: Jonesy - 11th October 2004 at 16:27
Doesnt sound good you have to admit, but, I’m a network engineer and I give my Win2k laptop a bloody hard time and I’ve never had a minutes problem with the OS!.
Also you have to remember the combat system is hardly going to be cross patched to the internet for lots of little mischevious trolls to try and have a crack at it. Also I’ve seen a network intrusion detection system by Cisco Systems that can nail down virus infection in a Windows network on day-zero!. I’ve seen how secure these networks can be made if the investment is there to do the job properly.
As a last resort, provided that they dont cut corners with the hardware, I dont see it as an impossible task to dump the Win2k system and upload a new UNIX-based application on Alenia Marconi’s tab should the original system prove unreliable.
So not good, definitely, but not the end of the world by any reach!.
By: dreadnought - 11th October 2004 at 15:27
well they gonna practice rebooting?
:diablo: :diablo: :diablo: :diablo:
it’s has to be a joke!! i mean windows???? come on, every admin on the planet will tell you NOT to use windows on anything sensitive that has to be reliable 24/7/52. At least use 2003 then……
By: Hyperwarp - 11th October 2004 at 12:26
Imagine in Event of war A a sudden blue screen pops on the screen”An unhandled exception occured at 000xx4b.. .System now begining Memory dump 2% completed…..”
😀 😀 😀
By: INFINITY - 11th October 2004 at 11:35
Likewise, the announcement this weekend that the UK will construct new T45 Destroyers with Windows 2000 as the main operating system in a complete joke. More worrying is the idea of running nuclear submarines on such a system, a fault or bug is no excuse for accidental missile launch.
Win2000 as Rt OS??Is that OS planned to a Real time version of 2000 OS or the standard Win2000.
Imagine in Event of war A a sudden blue screen pops on the screen”An unhandled exception occured at 000xx4b.. .System now begining Memory dump 2% completed…..”
regds
Infinity
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