To Iran with love!!!

Not if you deploy the SAM in a location where it affects the opponent e.g. within range of his airbase, patrolling area or some other piece of air space which now is no longer safe to fly.

In the case of Iranian S-300, I think we can comfortly rule this out..

Russia Denies Reports on Missile Systems Transfer to Iran

Russia’s Defense Ministry has denied reports in the U.S. media that S-300 missile systems supplied to Belarus could later be transferred to Iran.

The ministry’s statement, cited by RIA-Novosti news agency on Monday, said four battalions of S-300 PMU2 Favorite missile systems would be supplied to Belarus this year under agreements on merging the two countries’ air defenses. “Under the current agreement, missile systems cannot be supplied to third countries,” the ministry said.

The statement said the reports on the transfer of missile systems to Iran had nothing in common with real facts.

The Europeans are tied into the Iranians economically due to their reliance on Iranian gas and also due to the sales of goods to Iran

Not a single cubic meter of Iranian natural gas is exported in Europe. Aside its own production, Western Europe imports natural gas by pipelines from Russia, Libya, Algeria and LNG gas from various sources, but not from Iran. OTOH, Iran exports some 2.5 milion barrels/day of crude…

Its not even verbal calls for sanctions, the Euros dont want sanctions as much as the Chinese or the Russians do. What the Euros do support is a very carefully worded UN resolution telling the Iranians to behave or there may be repurcussions. They make a very good attempt at offering support to the US when really, if you read closelly it does nothing other than give a written lecture to the Iranians about beeing good international citizens. The Europeans are tied into the Iranians economically due to their reliance on Iranian gas and also due to the sales of goods to Iran. That is the reason the Europeans do not have to worry about Shahab 3’s landing in Berlin or about Iranian backed terrorists blowing up the Paris Metro. The only time they would need to worry about that is if they decide to hurt Iran militarily and economically.

Iran keeps its pitbulls on a very tight leash and Hezbollah aint about to hit any targets without the express go ahead of the clerics, who in turn will not do anything without the express go ahead of the business interests that move Iran in whichever direction they choose and use religeon as a way to strengthen resolve of the people because its more honourable to die for Allah then it is to die for someone elses petrodollars, same as the US uses religeon to controll a large segement of its society (although im not fussed wether the conservative christian right dies for God, Allah, Petrodollars or the big donut in the sky).

At the end of the day state sponsored terrorism (as opposed to individual nutters) is a method of achieving ones aims, just like special forces missions, airstrikes or cruise missile attacks. They are used by the country to achieve an aim and will only ever be used if there is a benefit to be gained. No attack would be random without an underlying reason

Well unlike Iraq the US seems to have ample support from the Euro’s on Iran.

Errr verbal support for sanctions. Not the same as support for invasion or attack.

Iran knows how the US likes to negotiate… they share a border with both Afghanistan and Iraq. Why shouldn’t Iran be allowed to set up its own air defence network and upgrade it as it sees fit? It is the US that has decided that the Iranians are trying to make nuclear weapons. Just like it was the US that had decided that Saddam had plenty of WMDs all over the place and was ready to use such weapons and we had to go in now to take out that threat to the whole world. …and of course we all had to go into Afghanistan to take out the Taleban to save the world yet again… now the US is crying wolf again for a third time… are you dumb enough to believe this has anything to do with nuclear weapons, or do you see that black liquid as being the direct link?

Well unlike Iraq the US seems to have ample support from the Euro’s on Iran. Televised firings of SRBM/IRBMs with the range to reach European nations and major terrorist attacks in European capitals are probably to blame for that. Tehran being historically more closely linked to terrorist organisations that Baghdad ever was. Sure the Iranians have the right to as a sovereign nation to buy weapons, but other nations have the right to choose not to sell and third parties have the right to lobby potential suppliers. Everybody has rights. Life still isn’t fair though.

Daniel

not very long, the first thing to go will be the S-300. If your planning an attack you simply take out the dangers first. But does give Iran a advance in ADF

is it replacing anything?

I have been reading rumors about posible purchases of S-300 from Iran for years now. Nothing has been confirmed. I also don’t think that a few S-300 systems can save Iran from USAF. They may only increase the american casaulties a bit.

That is a totally different argument. Nobody in his right mind would claim that. Again, parameters come in: how long will they last? thats the real question but one which is not the purpose of this thread. 🙂

I have been reading rumors about posible purchases of S-300 from Iran for years now. Nothing has been confirmed. I also don’t think that a few S-300 systems can save Iran from USAF. They may only increase the american casaulties a bit.

Who knows?… 😉

Report: Iran Has Conducted Four Missile Tests in 2006

February 15, 2006 :: BBC Worldwide Monitoring :: News
The German news agency DDP reports that Iran has conducted four missile tests since the beginning of 2006. Citing employees of Western security services, the report claims that Iran tested a modified intermediate-range ballistic missile, an air defense missile, a cruise missile, and an anti-tank missile. The modified intermediate-range missile is believed to have been a Shahab-3 with a range of 900 km. The report adds that Iran recently transferred several Shahab-3 missiles to neighborhoods surrounding the cities of Kermanshah and Hamad on its western border, from which it could reach targets in Israel (the distance from Kermanshah to Tel Aviv is 850 km). The air defense missile that was tested was an Iranian version of an as-of-yet unidentified Russian SAM, most likely the S-300, while the cruise missile was an Iranian version of the Chinese HY-2 Silkworm missile. The Silkworm apparently flew 150 km during the test, which would make it capable of reaching targets in the Persian Gulf and the Arabian Sea. The report adds that Iran is attempting to acquire new engine components for these cruise missiles from Germany and Switzerland, which are then smuggled through Iranian cover firms registered in Dubai’s free trade zone in the United Arab Emirates.
http://www.missilethreat.com/news/200602150939.html

Where are all those fellows here who kept arguing that Iran had no S-300s? Please give up your weapons and raise your hands. 😀 :dev2:

At this time, Iran still has no S-300s. All the article is saying is that this might be how they’re going to get them.

The iranian regime and anything like that is going to make it tougher for the USA to negotiate. Just put yurself in the shoes of the iranians..How would u negotiate the nuclear fiasco (which may have implications as far as a war) when u know that yur AD setup just got improved many folds thanx to belarus

Iran knows how the US likes to negotiate… they share a border with both Afghanistan and Iraq. Why shouldn’t Iran be allowed to set up its own air defence network and upgrade it as it sees fit? It is the US that has decided that the Iranians are trying to make nuclear weapons. Just like it was the US that had decided that Saddam had plenty of WMDs all over the place and was ready to use such weapons and we had to go in now to take out that threat to the whole world. …and of course we all had to go into Afghanistan to take out the Taleban to save the world yet again… now the US is crying wolf again for a third time… are you dumb enough to believe this has anything to do with nuclear weapons, or do you see that black liquid as being the direct link?

Where are all those fellows here who kept arguing that Iran had no S-300s? Please give up your weapons and raise your hands. 😀 :dev2:

Well reading those reports it seems that IF this report is true then Iran would at best be receiving these weapons just now. In that case anyone arguing that Tehran does not have S-300s in its arsenal prior to now would still have been correct. As for the veracity of this claim I personally will wait and see.

Daniel

How true you are 😉

No lie. It’s the UNDERestimated weapons that are dangerous :diablo:

HAHA S-300’s are the BEST BABY, THE 100% BEST, and U.S.A. knows that 1000% .

How true you are 😉

Not if you deploy the SAM in a location where it affects the opponent e.g. within range of his airbase, patrolling area or some other piece of air space which now is no longer safe to fly.

Yap…but added with JADM,it will not be.. Can a S-300 SAM be reprograme and become a SSM fitted with nuclear warhead? A SAM is always a SAM but unlike a fighter plane…. Yr example is horribly wrong!

A top of the line defensive system will also effect in other ways. It is the presence of these AD weapons alone which makes them a weapon . To cause the same effect they dont need to launch SAM’s but access denial is in itself a legitimate reason for the USA to be threatened . Now i’m no war mongering american but it doesnt take a rocket sceintist to figure out that the USA is not at friendly terms with The iranian regime and anything like that is going to make it tougher for the USA to negotiate. Just put yurself in the shoes of the iranians..How would u negotiate the nuclear fiasco (which may have implications as far as a war) when u know that yur AD setup just got improved many folds thanx to belarus . Whats next su-35’s w/o a2g modes..Jeez that’ll really bring em to the table..The US would be p i s s e d off at this if and when this happens and we’ll see what type of storm this deal sturs up. As far as the potential damage 4-6-8 such systems can do. My personal opinion is that the USAF is allready planning to deal with these weapons ever since 99 when they started training against such weaponry at red flag etc etc and they’d be able to tackle the situation down.

Where are all those fellows here who kept arguing that Iran had no S-300s? Please give up your weapons and raise your hands. 😀 :dev2:

Exactly how good is S-300 against western aircrafts, (along with their force multipliers)? Or do we need a war to get an answer to that?

HAHA S-300’s are the BEST BABY, THE 100% BEST, and U.S.A. knows that 1000% .

Yap…but added with JADM,it will not be.. Can a S-300 SAM be reprograme and become a SSM fitted with nuclear warhead? A SAM is always a SAM but unlike a fighter plane…. Yr example is horribly wrong!

Nike Hercules, Talos, Standard, SA-2 and probably others have all been used in the surface to surface role.

S-300SP???

Lol

S-300PS.

And it’s two generations behind current top-of-the-notch S-300 series (S-300PM, S-300PM-2)…so much “wonder weapon” 😮