Modernized antiaircraft missile system displayed at MAKS-2005

The new parts (laser rangefinder and protection system) are painted orange.
You can see more pictures here http://pvo.guns.ru/expo/maks2005.htm

Folks, this thread is about the OSA-AKM system, NOT S-400. Let’s try to stay on topic, I would be interested in more detail on the OSA upgrade. If I wanted to read about S400, I would have chosen another thread.

To the best of my knowledge how the F117 was shot down over Yugoslavia is still officially secret as far as US sources are concerned so how K.P.Foley knows I do not know.
It is now almost certain that Iraq and any of the former Yugoslavian states never received Kolchuga or any such technology.
Every aircraft has emisions, be they as slight as changes in the atmosphere. Theoretically (as the second article suggests) such emissions can be analysed and the location of aircraft established.
It is almost certain that the soviet union began an effort to track stealth aircraft in the 1980s, what is probable is that the systems I mentioned were part of the results.
I noticed that you only posted articles that are negative about the systems I mentioned, you do not strike me as the most open minded person in the world.

Czech Republic: U.S. Says Tamara System Overrated

By K.P. Foley

American F-117A stealth bomber shot down over Yugoslavia in March of 1999. Pentagon officials confirmed that the aircraft was tracked by an unidentified radar and that two surface-to-air missile were fired at the F-117. Russian Minister of Defense announced that the aircraft was brought down by a Russian-made SA-6 mobile SAM working in concert with a ground radar.
Washington, 17 November 1997 (Radio Free Europe) – The U.S. Defense Department is challenging claims that a Czech-built electronic intelligence system can thwart the technology that enables some U.S. military aircraft to evade radar detection. U.S. Defense Department spokesman Kenneth Bacon told reporters last week that there is no independent verification of the claim that the Tamara system made by the Czech Republic’s private Tesla company can overcome radar evasion systems. The contention became an issue in Washington last week when the “Washington Times” newspaper reported that Iraq was trying to obtain the system to enable it to locate and track U.S. jets protected by what is popularly called stealth technology. That is a system that makes it difficult for standard radar to find aircraft equipped with it. The Czech Government said it was investigating the story. However, Czech Prime Minister Vaclav Klaus, on a visit to Washington last week, called the story nonsense and a provocation. He told U.S. Vice President Al Gore that Czech law would prohibit such a sale to Iraq. Tesla also denied the report. Bacon, nevertheless, said claims that the Tamara system could overcome stealth were wrong. He also said newspaper reports calling the Tamara system a radar were wrong as well. Tamara, said Bacon, is what he called a family of devices that collect a variety of signals that, theoretically, can be analyzed electronically and used to pinpoint the location of an aircraft.

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What Ukraine’s Kolchuga radar does

The team is in Kiev at a time of growing Nato concern

By Jonathan Marcus
BBC defence correspondent

The controversy surrounding the Kolchuga radar is worthy of a Cold War spy novel.

Wrongly dubbed by some as a radar that can spot stealth aircraft, the alleged provision of the system to Iraq is inevitably provoking some tensions between Ukraine and the United States.

The arrival of the team represents something of a sticking plaster being applied over what could become a gaping wound in relations

The Kolchuga radar is manufactured by a Donetsk-based company called Topaz and is marketed by a state-owned organisation called UkrspetsExport.

Its director general, Valery Malev, was killed in a road accident in March of this year, just before a parliamentary commission announced that it had evidence suggesting illicit Ukrainian weapons sales to Iraq.

Amidst all the murky conspiracy theories, it is very hard to get firm details about the capabilities of the system.

However, unlike normal radars which send out waves that bounce back from the target, Kolchuga is a passive system.

The US believes President Kuchma approved the sale

In other words, it detects emissions coming from the target aircraft.

This would make it far less capable against stealth or radar-evading technology because by definition these planes have little or no active emissions.

If the Kolchuga system is being used by Iraq, it poses far more of a threat to conventional non-stealthy aircraft – the types of British and US warplanes that are patrolling the no-fly zones over Iraq every day.

President Saddam Hussein has made no secret of his desire to shoot down one of these aircraft.

And given the frequency of the flights, US and British pilots have depended upon skill and a good deal of luck so far to avoid any losses.

Kolchuga would be far less significant in any large-scale US assault against Iraq where the country’s air defence system as a whole would be an early target.

The row over Kolchuga is symptomatic of the wider problems between Ukraine and the West.

Nato sources have told the BBC that there is growing concern within the alliance’s headquarters in Brussels about the direction being taken by President Leonid Kuchma.

The arrival of the US and British team to discuss the radar issue represents something of a sticking plaster being applied over what could become a gaping wound in relations.

There are reportedly several anti-stealth radar systems in existance.
The VERA/VERA-E system, I believe that this is from the Czech Republic (I cant be sure from memory though). A few years back there were rumours that the chinese had attempted to obtain the system but the US had stepped in and brought it on the condition that it was not sold to another nation.
In the Ukraine there is reportedly a system called Kolchuga (spelling probably wrong) which is able to detect stealth aircraft. It is apparently similar to the VERA system.
Russia is said to have 2 radar systems capable of tracking stealth aircraft.
What degree of stealth technology these systems are capable of tracking is unknown but one must assume that they were initially intended with the F-117 and B-2 in mind.
There is a very interesting thread about this at ACIG.
It has been claimed that F-117s have been tracked using mobile phone technology including the one shot down over Yugoslavia, I have my doubts about this and the claim made by some that china has developed its own stealth tracking radar.

You have been told repeatedly that the S-400 system exists and evidence has been presented to prove as such. Noerpers rantings are boring and pathetic and he refuses to aknowledge much of what has been put in front of him.

Exports

UAE has expressed interest, China has placed advanced orders, Iran is interested and Syrian President Asad has stated publicly he wants it. The reason is the anti-stealth radar and to some extent the long-range missile. The anti-stealth technology is unprecedented outside of US manufaturing and therefore govts that ostensibly lean away from the US are very interested in this product and as such, there is a huge market for it. That’s why it’s so important to understand if it exists or not. I would think that western defence agencies would be a bit anxious to find out for sure if there is an anti-stealth capable system running around and if so, who has it.

dunno why Noerper is so upset with the s400 issue. did he pre-order a battery for himself
using his life savings in 2001 ? 🙂

the market for s400 isnt huge. all the euros are converging around SM2/Aster30 TBMD soln, Israel has arrow2, japan-korea will use SM2, japan perhaps thaad also, aus SM2,
india only wants arrow2.

other than china no potential export customers. so whats the big hurry ?
there are export prospects for S300 if they can get 16 9M96 into a single
TEL and modernize the radar complex to use less vehicles and support.

Comeon, this thread wasn’t even about the S400. There may be a grain of truth in what you say about it, but it gets lost in your thinly-veiled attempts to incite a fight.

Listen buddy, ANOTHER maks came and went. no S-400.
they were SUPPOSED to display it in 2003 and 2005. both times they failed.

come back in 2007 and see whether the russians finally have something to exhibit.