Lion Air 737 overshoots runway at Bali

Taking the young pilots as co pilots, I do believe happen even on majors (at least that what I read on sveral forum with pilots as members). The problem is the captains usually already seasoned ones. Several major airlines from what I heard ussually put the young co-pilots with pilots that already have more than 20000 flight hours.

The pilot on this Lion plane, already have 10000 hours. However some Pilots in here say, its still not enough compared to say major airlines practise that put 15000 + hours before a co pilot can be a pilot. That’s not clear whether this pilot have 10000 hrs altogether, or 10000 hrs as pilot/captain.

Lion according some forum already improved the quality of the maintanance and support, and also they have planes with average age below 5 years. However the quality of pilots and the schedulling flight hrs which rumours say above average major airlines, that being put under scrutiny.

They also taking a lot of foreign new pilots as co-pilots, with limited flying hours before. Taking young co-pilots will not create significant problem if the pilots/captains already seasoned ones. Well at least that what i read from those senior pilots social media.

I read on another forum that Lion Air take on a lot of American pilots fresh out of flight school with around 200 hours. They then essentially fly for free (or at least very little pay) in return for flight experience and references. Once they’ve got enough experience under their belts they go back to the US to fly for the majors.

Although, how true that is I don’t know.

One thing that daily mail need to be updated, at the moment nearly 90% second or third hand aircraft has been phased out. New procurement of Aircraft by most Indonesian airlines are brand new ones.

The problem according people from the Industry is the speed in producing realiable pilots in line with the speed of new aircraft procurement. I don’t know how realiable it is, but some senior pilots (based on social media report) accused new airlines including Lion on recruiting captain from co-pilots on established airline like Garuda in which on Garuda those co-pilots considered not matured enough as captain.

They also taking a lot of foreign new pilots as co-pilots, with limited flying hours before. Taking young co-pilots will not create significant problem if the pilots/captains already seasoned ones. Well at least that what i read from those senior pilots social media.

But, lets see what the finding result turn out.

Good selection of photos from the Daily Mail.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2308475/Bali-plane-crash-Miracle-escape-108-passengers-plane-overshoots-runway-lands-SEA.htm

At present the reg is shown as PK-LKS?…that is, unconfirmed.

Well, at least we now know why they’ve ordered so many aircraft over the past couple of years. They need replacements! :diablo:

http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20130413-0

If the plane was PK-LKS, ex 9M-LNB, it first flew 5/2/13! 😮

Seriously, when will this airline have it’s licence revoked?

It seems like just a few weeks ago I was saying on another thread that LionAir has a weekly overrun. Sooner or later one of these accidents is going to be really horrific, they’ve been lucky.

http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?t=123122

Total passenger according to the manifest 101 with 8 crew. No fatal casualties, around 10 still in hospital due to light injuries. The plane it self is a 737-800 NG, and only operated with Lion for 6-7 months. Arrive second semester last year directly from Boeing facilities. From what I gather, this is one of the early batch of 737-800 with Lion, since before Lion mostly operated 737-900ER.

The plane originating from Bandung in West Java, and overshoot the runway. It stop on the water in front of the Runway area, on shallow water.

So far as I can make out its 7 non life theatening.