Stunned!
http://aa.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=3286
Under the agreement with Boeing, American plans to acquire a total of 200 additional aircraft from the 737 family, with options for another 100 737 family aircraft. American has the flexibility to convert the new deliveries into variants within the 737 family, including the 737-700, 737-800 and 737-900ER.
American also will acquire a total of 260 Airbus aircraft from the A320 Family and will have 365 options and purchase rights for additional aircraft. American has the flexibility to convert its delivery positions into variants within the A320 Family, including the A319 and A321.
American will take delivery of 130 current-generation Airbus A320 Family aircraft beginning in 2013. Beginning in 2017 American will begin taking delivery of 130 aircraft from the A320neo (New Engine Option) Family featuring next-generation engine technology. The new aircraft are approximately 15 percent more fuel efficient than today’s models. American will be the first network airline in the U.S. to deploy this new-technology aircraft.
I wonder if the A320 will get the polished skin?
By: nJayM - 28th July 2011 at 11:32
American Airlines – Orders – Delivered – Unfilled to June 2011
American Airlines – Orders – Delivered – Unfilled to June 2011
Charts : Google Docs – Click on each chart for a larger view
By: ThreeSpool - 27th July 2011 at 14:38
Very nice. I too think that they will alter the window shape to a larger, oval size. It is something that the passenger will notice, especially if it has those fancy electro-chromatic shade things.
By: Bmused55 - 27th July 2011 at 14:32
Might look something like this:
A.netters are gunning for 777 window frames. I’m not so sure, unless Boeing are make a real effort and not looking for a quick fix.
This concept is drawn with the assumption Boeing find a way to hang a new engine higher up on the pylon and add a theorised system to the main and nose gear, allowing longer gear to tuck into the available space by compressing the struts on retraction.
By: nJayM - 27th July 2011 at 14:17
Accurate figures from Boeing on all commercial aircraft due at end of July/early Aug
Accurate (regular) figures from Boeing on all commercial aircraft due again at the end of July/early Aug
I must try to get a similar accurate figures for backlog on each model (like the recent FT report with charts – but sadly not official Boeing or Airbus sources) and see if I can produce charts of actual production against backlog.;)
I (personal opinion) feel that unless Airlines on confirmed orders (ahead of AA on the list) change models or get to near Chapter 11 (or equivalent/sadly go bust – may happen – oil prices:mad:) that AA will be waiting a long long time.:eek:
Slow out of the starting gate as I commented previously.:rolleyes:
By: KabirT - 27th July 2011 at 13:45
I am interested to see what they have on paper for the 737RE. I am sure drawn up plans exist as they have been weighing on it as an option for a while.
By: Ship 741 - 27th July 2011 at 13:16
More details about delivery schedule. Apparently both the 737 and A320 deliveries are to commence in 2013, with 737RE’s beginning in 2018 and A320NEO beginning in 2017.
Its interesting to me that AA have no only ordered both the 320 series and the 737 series, but have ordered the legacy and updated models of each. Kind of plays havoc with fleet standardization.
I still wonder about the ability of the manufacturers (especially Airbus since they have so many recent orders) to meet the delivery schedule. Granted, its a good problem to have and we don’t know the details of the contracts.
http://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news/2011/07/25/American-details-delivery.html
By: Bmused55 - 21st July 2011 at 18:45
Good point. I’d forgotten about the Alaska Airlines quote
By: KabirT - 21st July 2011 at 18:41
No, if they had something potentially ready they would have shared with other carriers who have asked Boeing for there plans on either a new replacement or the 737RE.
Many airlines have asked Boeing for the information and got nothing substantial from the company. Unless Boeing thought orders from Alaska Air or Jet Airways were not important enough than the AA deal, which would be an even bigger absurdity.
Alaska Airlines has openly said that they got no information after inquiry about the 737RE until the AA deal yesterday. As far as I am concerned Boeing decided to go with the RE so as to not lose the whole single-isle order to Airbus.
The only comfort that Boeing would have got is that AA would not have been too happy with all the slots for the NEO while with Boeing (depending on how the RE shapes up) they have pretty much control over the whole project.
Boeing was caught between a rock and a wall. Simple as that.
By: Bmused55 - 21st July 2011 at 18:33
You know, everyone here and on A.net is going on about “desperate move” and “They don’t know what they have” etc.
Could it be that Boeing do know what they are doing are do have something up their sleeve, but had kept is stumm for the sake of not have things leak, then make Boeing look bad when these things “change”?
Maybe we should cut Boeing a little slack?
By: KabirT - 21st July 2011 at 17:51
Yep… now Boeing has to figure out what exactly they have committed to AA. 😮
By: Grey Area - 21st July 2011 at 17:37
Saving face perhaps, Kabir? 😉
By: KabirT - 21st July 2011 at 17:16
apparently not a single person other than AA and Boeing knew anything about 737RE being offered. So shows it was a last minute ditch effort to salvage something.
By: nJayM - 21st July 2011 at 14:26
Mods consider placing this thread under “The much awaited American Airlines order”
Mods please consider placing this thread under “The much awaited American Airlines order”.
By: nJayM - 21st July 2011 at 12:29
Please look at my Post No 14 on this forum – URL….
Please look at my Post No 14 on this forum – URL http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=110296
Even if the figures quoted are close for deliveries and backlog the expected dates quoted in the article in this thread about 460 for AA will only be delivered way past dates of expectation, quoted in the same article.
Neither Airbus or Boeing can ramp up production in China or Timbuktoo to catch up that fast. (I personally wish they could – but such isn’t a realistic ‘bean counter’s’ wish)
Not unless AA expects to jump the queue :rolleyes: and if so why if they took so long out of the ‘let’s decide’ starting gate?
By: Amiga500 - 21st July 2011 at 09:06
If the GTF runs into in-service problems then it could be a very good thing for the B737NNG. PW have a lot to prove with the GTF. They first have to get it certificated, then ramp up their production/supply chain to meet demand of not only the A320NEO but the C Series too. PW have a great deal to gain with this new engine, but they also have a great deal to lose.
True true.
But that is more a risk for Bombardier than for Airbus. Airbus have a choice of engines; the other two don’t. Choice is a good thing. 🙂
Oh, and the future of Pratt is pretty much reliant on the GTF getting market share. I’m sure they are sparing no expense to get it running right and out the door in an orderly fashion.
By: ThreeSpool - 20th July 2011 at 22:00
If the GTF runs into in-service problems then it could be a very good thing for the B737NNG. PW have a lot to prove with the GTF. They first have to get it certificated, then ramp up their production/supply chain to meet demand of not only the A320NEO but the C Series too. PW have a great deal to gain with this new engine, but they also have a great deal to lose.
By: Amiga500 - 20th July 2011 at 21:43
No.4 is a bit irrelevant
Not if the GTF has a 4-5% better sfc it isn’t.
There are a few airlines with split buys (regarding engines).
If those airlines start leaning toward the GTF after seeing both in service… it could limit 737’s scope in competition against the GTF engined NEOs.
By: ThreeSpool - 20th July 2011 at 21:04
No.4 is a bit irrelevant; all versions of the 737 have sold well given that each model only had a single engine supplier. I’d go further and say that given that the CFM56 is very well established in the market gives airlines more confidence in the LEAP-X.
By: Amiga500 - 20th July 2011 at 20:28
Seems all the rumours were true.
1. Boeing will re-engine.
2. But they’re reluctant to do it.
3. Because the 737 can only fit a leap-x under the wing without a landing gear mod.
4. Which means they will only be offering the leap-x on the 737NEO.
🙂
By: Arabella-Cox - 20th July 2011 at 13:20
Well fantastic news for Airbus, and a big blow to Boeing, would have thought there would be more emphasis on the A321 bearing in mind plans to replace the 757
After Paris, this is turning into a pretty good quarter for the European firm!
I wonder if the A320 will get the polished skin?
Be more interested in doing that with the 787!
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