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By: PMN - 24th May 2010 at 10:18

Sadly it was taken in auto mode, hence the ridiculous exposure values. A real shame actually. 🙁

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By: J Boyle - 24th May 2010 at 05:29

Per my original post…
The photograph was taken with a Cannon D40 / stabilized 200mm lenses with 12 megapixel resolution.

As a good friend of the Pembertons, I can assure you that it is real.
Neither have the need, time, or interest in faking a photograph.
And yes, Mr. Pemberton does have the connections at Boeing to arrange the photo mission.

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By: PMN - 23rd May 2010 at 22:27

f/29, 1/125th of a second and ISO 200. I’m sure you can figure out what’s going on there from those numbers, bearing in mind the obvious distance between the two aircraft. It roughly equates to motion blur and incredibly bad technique. 🙂

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By: Grey Area - 23rd May 2010 at 22:12

Ah, but look at it full size – the vertical tail of the B787, for example.

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By: PMN - 23rd May 2010 at 21:49

i do believe you its just when a picture file is compressed it looses detail, so it made it look abit cartoony to me

I have to admit, while the file size for this photo is only 41kb I’m not seeing a huge amount of compression. It certainly doesn’t exhibit huge amounts of the usual artefacts large amounts of JPEG compression show. It looks genuine enough to me, and it’s a damned fine sight, too!

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By: keithnewsome - 23rd May 2010 at 20:46

Sorry ! but I think the original photo looks very good, too my old eyes !
If you think it is fake ? then consider just why would any person feel the urge to fake a photo of two Boeing products ?? vendetta against Boeing ? Yes ! I think that will work ?? vendetta against the aviation community (us) why ? when it would be shot down within seconds ??
I suppose I must also include the occasional crank with too much time when the mind is active and the brain disengaged !!!
Still like that photo !!

Keith.

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By: dan BHX - 23rd May 2010 at 20:17

i do believe you its just when a picture file is compressed it looses detail, so it made it look abit cartoony to me

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By: J Boyle - 23rd May 2010 at 00:11

….at least i was quick to correct those who doubted ! I recall many similiar formations over the past years before the net and no one thought those were fakes, a sign of the times.

Yes, much appreciated.
No disrespect meant in correcting the photo plane type.
You’re quite right, no one believes anythging anymore. I’m afraid we’re heading for a golden age for conspiracy nuts. 😀

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By: tommyinyork - 22nd May 2010 at 23:15

I am guessing Ryanair might get some 787’s for transatlantic routes they propose.

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By: nJayM - 22nd May 2010 at 22:42

Farnborough should be in every airline/aircraft enthusiast’s biennial calendar.

A must along with annual RIAT for military shows

I also make it to the annual Leuchars Air Show and although a relatively small friendly show you get to meet the actual pilots usualy within an hour after displaying. I have a great collection of autographed souvenirs.

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By: G-BNLL - 22nd May 2010 at 22:18

This’ll be my first visit to Farnborough airshow ever Im quite looking forward to it :p

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By: nJayM - 22nd May 2010 at 22:06

I think Boeing want to bring the 787 and the 747-8 to Farnbourgh this year!

That will make 2010 Farnborough extra special for me. Farnborough 2008 had the Airbus 380 albeit light laden pirouting around the sky.
It’s the ‘plastic pigs’ turn this year.

Steve R. thanks for posting the URL, the pic looks genuine. Lovely sight albeit a pic.

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By: scotavia - 22nd May 2010 at 10:26

Ok I got the type wrong, but at least i was quick to correct those who doubted ! I recall many similiar formations over the past years before the net and no one thought those were fakes, a sign of the times.

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By: J Boyle - 21st May 2010 at 17:47

Reposted from the original thread on the topic posted in the Historic Forum
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=100240

Since I know all those (except the Boeing crew) involved, I though I’d pass this along.
BTW:scotavia..the photo plane was a A36 Bonanza, not a Baron…same basic fuselage, but Bonanza has one engine.

We all enjoy air to air photography shots…here’s a story on how it was done with the Boeing 40 and 787 as described by Addison Pemberton the pilot/owner/restorer of the Boeing 40.
In his comments you’ll get an idea of the planning, coordination and safety plans that are vital to a sucessful…and safe…air to air photo shoot.

“The plan was for the Boeing 787 to intercept our flight of three with an overtake on our right side with the Boeing 40 in the foreground and 787 Dreamliner in the background of the photo. The Bonanza was lead for our flight of 3. Two conference calls with Boeing flight test were conducted the morning of the flight to confirm details. The Boeing 787 was light and could overtake us dirty at approximately 150 kts and clean at 190 knots. Our flight of 3 was stabilized at 90 knots. This would provide a 3-7 second photo window during each overtake pass.

The shoot took place after departure from Hood River Oregon, 80 miles south of Mt Rainier. We climbed out of Hood River with the goal of reaching the south face of Mt Rainier at 12,000 feet at a prearranged longitude-latitude location at 2:15 PM. A 310 degree heading was selected for a favorable sun line and join up with the Boeing 787 serial number 001. Our flight was composed of 3 aircraft: An A36 Bonanza with both rear doors removed flown by Randy and Julie Ingraham as a photo platform, a Cessna 185 Skywagon flown by Jay Pemberton acting as a weather scout and safety overview, and the Boeing 40C flown by myself. My son Ryan and his wife Taryn were staged for the photos in the Bonanza with Ryan in a safety harness grasping his Canon 40D cameras.

The weather did not pan out as planned and our weather scout C-185 proved invaluable to find us a last minute update location for a photo run 20 miles south west of Mt Rainer. Also the freezing level that day was 5000 ft and at 12000 feet were we were flying the air temp was -13°C. The prolonged exposure to the low temperatures caused camera failures but they were resolved by heating the cameras in the front of the Bonanza between each photo run. We were all dressed in cold weather flying gear (but not enough).

The 787 1st appeared at 12:30 climbing up to meet us through a broken cloud deck. The sight was absolutely breathtaking as Beoing Test Pilot Mike Carriker arced the graceful airplane wide to our left to to set up the 1st overtake on our right side. (See photo 1 below) The four passes were perfect and the skill of Mike Carriker was quickly apparent. He made four passes on us in a matter of minutes with absolute safety leaving us star stuck. With a brief broadcast from the Dreamliner he was gone as quickly as he had appeared and the images are now a historic record for all of us to enjoy.

Our many thanks to the Boeing company for the vision to make this event take place and there willingness to work with us.

Addison Pemberton”

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By: tommyinyork - 21st May 2010 at 17:35

when is the 787 due in service.

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By: Grey Area - 21st May 2010 at 10:34

might be the way its edited then. it still looks a tad cartoony to me

I think I understand what you mean, but that’s just a side-effect of compressing the original image to make the filesize small enough to mount on the webpage.

I see nothing within the image itself to make me think that it’s anything other than 100% bona fide.

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By: Bmused55 - 21st May 2010 at 10:25

or your graphics card is busted

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By: dan BHX - 21st May 2010 at 09:52

might be the way its edited then. it still looks a tad cartoony to me

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By: scotavia - 21st May 2010 at 09:08

real, shot from Beech Baron with a door off, 14,000 feet,near Mount Rainier, also Cessna chase plane,test pilot in the big jet, just about 4 seconds for grabbing pics as the big jet flew past, 3 passes made, a really tricky shoot .

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By: Grey Area - 21st May 2010 at 07:32

It’s you, I think. 🙂

The lighting is consistent on both aircraft.

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