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10-abreast A350!

Confirmed to fly, with Air Asia X:
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2009/06/22/328520/airasiax-to-put-a350s-in-10-abreast-configuration.html

Ouch. Just how wide is A350XWB compared to, say, DC-10?

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By: swerve - 24th June 2009 at 12:23


Now, it is hard to get reliable data on A350 that could be compared as apples to apples… and the example of 787 makes a bit wary about trusting simple numbers sometimes mentioned.

Nevertheless, 559 cm has been mentioned. Which is 10 cm narrower than DC-10…

The Airbus site says the passenger cabin has a maximum width of 220 inches, i.e. 559 cm.

http://www.airbus.com/en/aircraftfamilies/a350/efficiency/in_motion/passenger_cabin.html

The seating flexibility offered in economy class begins with a baseline nine-abreast configuration. Premium economy is created in an eight-abreast arrangement, while 10-abreast seating is available for high-density layouts

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By: PMN - 24th June 2009 at 11:36

You tell us, you’re the man with all the numbers (..and Google) 😀

Didn’t you try bollock me (albeit unsuccessfully) a few weeks ago for being mildly sarcastic in these threads?

Interesting how things turn themselves around! 😀

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By: Schorsch - 23rd June 2009 at 20:17

And an 1970ies European is smaller than 1970-s American. The standard coach seating of A300 has always been 8 abreast. So was the 1970ies standard coach seating of DC-10-10 and Tristar 1, which were much wider than A300….

Guess why airlines were unhappy with A330 cross section for the A350 Mk1. You can put 3-3-3 into an A330, and some airlines do it, but you can do it on the slightly wider A350 Mk2 with more comfort.

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By: chornedsnorkack - 23rd June 2009 at 11:32

I guess the average Asian passenger is still somewhat smaller than an 1970ies American or European.

And an 1970ies European is smaller than 1970-s American. The standard coach seating of A300 has always been 8 abreast. So was the 1970ies standard coach seating of DC-10-10 and Tristar 1, which were much wider than A300….

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By: Schorsch - 23rd June 2009 at 08:04

I guess the average Asian passenger is still somewhat smaller than an 1970ies American or European.

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By: Arabella-Cox - 22nd June 2009 at 22:01

Depends how many aisles they want. :diablo:

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By: Ren Frew - 22nd June 2009 at 21:08

So how wide will the seats be ?

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By: chornedsnorkack - 22nd June 2009 at 19:15

size wise how does the A350 fit against the IL 96?

Il-96 is comfortably bigger. From
http://www.ilyushin.org/eng/products/passenger/96300.html

the outside width is quoted as 608 cm. Inside width is not given, but seeing how it is 6 cm wider than DC-10, the sidewalls are presumably not so much wider.

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By: KabirT - 22nd June 2009 at 19:03

size wise how does the A350 fit against the IL 96?

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By: chornedsnorkack - 22nd June 2009 at 18:46

You tell us, you’re the man with all the numbers (..and Google) 😀

Google is helpful if the information is unanimously agreed and placed under intuitive and otherwise uncommon search terms. Otherwise, the results may be
confusing and contradictory.

A350 airport planning manual is due for publication in April 2011. The cross-section of XWB is understood to be frozen, but not sure what it exactly is.

The external width of DC-10 is agreed to be 602 cm. The external width of Tristar is agreed to be 597 cm.

Regarding 787, Boeing publishes directly contradicting data: they quote its “cross-section” as 574 cm:
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/787family/787-8prod.html

whereas aircraft characteristics, at:
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/airports/acaps/787sec2.pdf
page 4, plainly shows the external width as 577 cm.

DC-10 interior at 10 abreast can be found at:
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/airports/acaps/dc10sec2.pdf
page 20.
The seat and aisle widths will sum to 224 inches (569 cm) between outer edges of armrests. Plus gaps to sidewalls.

Now, it is hard to get reliable data on A350 that could be compared as apples to apples… and the example of 787 makes a bit wary about trusting simple numbers sometimes mentioned.

Nevertheless, 559 cm has been mentioned. Which is 10 cm narrower than DC-10…

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