Cockpit Lighting

Hi James

The mod leaflet provisioning list and instructions calls for new lamps (with Shorts Pt No) and electrical AGS, there is no requirement to remove or relocate existing lamps so it would seem that at some point the lights were removed or not fitted from build. At least for a Mk IV

John

Hi John

Re-introduce, does that mean that they had been taken out completely I wonder? They had UV lighting at one point I think – I wonder if these lamps were taken out when that went in?

I would be willing to bet that the orginal design was preferred since the other may have been in the way of peoples heads!

James

Hi James

The Rationale for the mod as stated in the leaflet is:

This modification makes provision to re-introduce cockpit lamps, Type B, with red bulbs

the leaflet is dated 16 Oct 45

John

Thanks James

The later mod was from AP1660D/E so much later and specifically states that it re-instates the lamps in the former position. the use of 5C/366 is intriguing as it’s a much larger assembly, needless to say we have plenty of those 🙂

John

Hi John

I’m a little confused now – are you saying that your drawing was later? Does that mean that they were on seperate plates originally, then modified to go onto one (in sept 1941) and then back to the original two plate design?

The drawings are usually to scale so you should be able to check for the right lamp by comparison to the dimmer and/or terminal block.

Cheers
James

Thanks James

The later mod was from AP1660D/E so much later and specifically states that it re-instates the lamps in the former position. the use of 5C/366 is intriguing as it’s a much larger assembly, needless to say we have plenty of those 🙂

John

Hi John

I’ve been using your ‘Mod’ drawing of the cockpit lamps for my model but had the feeling that something was amiss.

I’ve finally realised that I assumed that your Mod drawing was the one that I have (and you have too), but I’ve just realised it isn’t and that that your one is more relevant to the MKI 😀

The Mod I have modifies the early MKIs to take the lamps off of seperate plates on either side of the control cable-run conduit and puts them onto a single plate mounted below the conduit. The mod text states that the lamps and controls are retained but they also state that the lamp was available as a spare part 5C/366 Lamp, cockpit floodlight MKII.

What was the date of your mod? The one I have was September 1941.

Attached is the layout that I think most of the Stirlings ended up with.

Don’t know if that helps or if you were fully aware of it but in any case you’ve helped me!

Cheers
James

Hi Vacb

PM sent 🙂

John

Lamp shades that I have access to have the following part numbers: –

Body 7290108
Bezel 7290106

White painted area on body/neck with the following handwritten/painted: –

S25D 34300 ISSUE 2.

Found a modification drawing that shows this area in more detail albeit to a later mod state than that shown in the photo. The lamps are indeed a Type B 5C/793 but with a type specific shade.

cheers

John

E of

Hi Michael

Would definitely be interested in two off 🙂

Jeepman – If you look closely the outside is masked with what looks like paper, IIRC this a Shorts original factory photo

David – I’m with Credible Sport…I’m lost

John

😀

The interconnected lamps you were asking about, reminded me of the ‘talking tubes’ used in ships.

Hi Michael

Would definitely be interested in two off 🙂

Jeepman – If you look closely the outside is masked with what looks like paper, IIRC this a Shorts original factory photo

David – I’m with Credible Sport…I’m lost

John

dcollins103

What has your post got to do with cockpit lighting in a Stirling? 🙂

Interesting delineations between the Perspex and metalwork of the coupe. Is that sealant or poor masking of the outside finish?

Or is there another reason?

Is the Perspex masked up for painting and the masking paper was just torn to the rough shape and then secured with tape which would account for the rough edges?

Or alternatively, we have found another commonality between the similarly robust ships of the time….. 😉

A speaking tube or voice-pipe is a device based on two cones connected by an air pipe through which speech can be transmitted over an extended distance. While its most common use was in intra-ship communications, the principle was also used in affluent[vague] homes and offices of the 19th century, as well as expensive[vague] automobiles, military aircraft, and even locomotives. For most purposes, the device was outmoded by the telephone and its widespread adoption. This device was also known as a “megaphone”, but that use has since become superseded

I may be able to assist here John, I am sure I have something similar. Standby…………….
Cheers
Michael